The Labor government is already crying poor when it comes to health, education, the NDIS or raising JobSeeker. But it's committed to spending at least $170 billion on nuclear-powered submarines as part of the AUKUS agreement. We discuss the issues with Professor Richard Tanter, a Senior Research Associate with the Nautilus Institute and an Honorary Professor in the School of Political and Social Sciences at the University of Melbourne. Richard is a former president of the Australian board of the International Campaign for the Abolition of Nuclear Weapons, which won the Nobel Peace Prize in October 2017.