Jonathan Martin speaks to Jonny about how to follow a trajectory of love that leads you away from some of what you may have believed in years gone by. Jonathan talks about how the book of Revelation transformed his own view of the gospel, the power of self sacrificial love, white supremacy and of course a bit of U2. He is the author or two acclaimed books, 'Prototype' and 'How to Survive a Shipwreck' and has served as a pastor, church planter and activist.