Celeste Liddle is an Arrernte woman, a union activist, social commentator and the Greens candidate for the federal seat of Cooper in the northern suburbs of Melbourne. She has spoken out regularly against the heavy policing of the pandemic. We talk to her about the growth in heavy-handed police tactics, the need to fight for social support for those suffering under lockdown, and why when it comes to vaccination, taking hesitant people on a journey to persuade them is the best response.