Billy and Steve talk about moving away and family expectations. They talk about the inefficiency between men and women when talking. Billy talks about being selfish, and a vacation he recently took that solidified his dislike for the cold. They talk "news bias" vs "crazy new bias". They also discuss legit causes, such as civil rights, and the credibility it loses when people add the nonsense to it. Steve talks the CDC and natural immunity news, the teacher's union and covid, and a friend who finally sees that covid is a scam. Billy gives Steve a gift.