Payers, Providers, and Patients – Oh My! Is Crowell & Moring’s biweekly health care podcast, discussing legal and regulatory issues that affect health care entities’ in-house counsel, executives, and investors. In this "deep dive" episode, hosts Payal Nanavati and Joe Records talk to Shelley Rosenberg about how health care defendants can use ERISA preemption as a way to remove litigation to federal court.