Following the attack on the Annunciation Catholic School Church in Minneapolis on Aug. 27, the term "nihilistic violent extremism" has been floated to describe the attacker's motives. Ben sits down with two NCITE research associates, doctoral students Brenna Helm (ABD) and Angie Benda, to discuss the new term and soft target protection. Visit our website for a comprehensive list of NCITE research related to NVE.