In this episode Andrea revisits her 2019 conversation with Dr. Daniel J. Siegel to explore Mindsight — his science-based approach to understanding the mind, integrating the brain, and cultivating empathy. Dr. Siegel explains the difference between mind and brain, the benefits of the Wheel of Awareness meditation, and how Mindsight can change brain structure and improve health.
Watch full interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7pnea2Vbzc
Practical tips include daily Mindsight practice, naming emotions t...
In this episode Andrea revisits her 2019 conversation with Dr. Daniel J. Siegel to explore Mindsight — his science-based approach to understanding the mind, integrating the brain, and cultivating empathy. Dr. Siegel explains the difference between mind and brain, the benefits of the Wheel of Awareness meditation, and how Mindsight can change brain structure and improve health.
Watch full interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7pnea2Vbzc
Practical tips include daily Mindsight practice, naming emotions to build self-awareness, and simple emotional check-ins to make learning and relationships more meaningful.
This week, in our review of EP 28 with Daniel J. Siegel, MD and his book Mindsight, we learned:
✔ The Difference Between the Mind and the Brain.
✔ The Benefits of The Wheel of Awareness Meditation.
✔ How to Understand and Apply Mindsight that gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others.
✔ How Mindsight can change brain structure and improve health.
✔ In order to make teaching and learning more meaningful, what we are teaching must have an element of emotion.
Welcome back to SEASON 14 of The Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast, where we connect the science-based evidence behind social and emotional learning and emotional intelligence training for improved well-being, achievement, productivity and results—using what I saw as the missing link (since we weren’t taught this when we were growing up in school), the application of practical neuroscience.
I’m Andrea Samadi, and seven years ago, launched this podcast with a question I had never truly asked myself before: (and that is) If productivity and results matter to us—and they do now more than ever—how exactly are we using our brain to make them happen?
Most of us were never taught how to apply neuroscience to improve productivity, results, or well-being. About a decade ago, I became fascinated by the mind-brain-results connection—and how science can be applied to our everyday lives.
That’s why I’ve made it my mission to bring you the world’s top experts—so together, we can explore the intersection of science and social-emotional learning. We’ll break down complex ideas and turn them into practical strategies we can use every day for predictable, science-backed results.
Episode 371:
For today’s Episode 371, we continue our journey into the mind with the next interview review. Just a reminder-this review series began back with Episode 366[i], where in Part 3 we discovered an important lesson: if we don’t like our results—or what we see on the outside—we need to shift our mindset and look within. True change always begins on the inside.
EP 369[ii] we learned how to Rewire our Brain with Dr. Dawson Church and his Bliss Brain Meditations, and then last week, EP 370[iii] with John Medina’s Brain Rules, we reviewed how important this understanding of neuroscience is, especially connected to education, teaching and learning.
Which brings us to today’s review, EP 371, where we revisit a very early episode with clinical professor of psychiatry from UCLA’s School of Medicine, Dr. Daniel J Siegel. He’s from EP 28[iv], that was recorded back in November of 2019. As we take this journey deeper into the mind, Dr. Dan Siegel offers the perfect place to begin, with his ability to bridge cutting-edge neuroscience and practical wisdom.
Dr. Dan Siegel, is well known for his books, trainings and courses that bridge cutting edge neuroscience with mindfulness and therapy. A reminder of his background-he’s a clinical professor of psychiatry at the UCLA School of Medicine and executive director of the Mindsight Institute[v] where you can find his courses, workshops, books and tools to help anyone understand and apply what can sometimes be complicated scientific concepts and make them easy to understand and applicable to our daily lives. At the end of the interview, I let Dr. Siegel know that I had been practicing his Wheel of Awareness Meditation, and ended up reviewing what I learned on EP 60[vi] where we explored the Science Behind a Meditation Practice.
You can watch the whole interview by clicking on the link in the resource section in the show notes, and learn all about Dr. Siegel’s work that encompasses schools, with resiliency, brain science and helping our next generation to understand how to apply these important strategies whether it’s in our classrooms, or workplaces of the future. Today we will continue to explore within, sharpen our mindset, and learn about what Dr. Siegel calls Mindsight.
VIDEO 1 Click Here to Watch
In Clip 1, Dr. Siegel unpacks the concept of Mindsight and helps clarify the difference between the mind and the brain, when I asked him to explain this distinction. I knew this wasn’t an easy question—as I had already listened to him answer it many times over the years, and still wasn’t sure I fully grasped it. In fact, I even tried to tackle it myself back in Episode 23[vii], Understanding Your Brain and Mind for Increased Results. But revisiting this topic now, I can see this concept requires a much deeper reflection.
So, I asked Dr. Siegel if we could look at his definition of the mind—one he has been studying for years and that many in his scientific and educational circles agree on. He describes the mind as “an embodied and relational process—since it’s in the body and it’s in our relationships with one another—that regulates the flow of energy and information.” I wanted to hear him expand on this again, especially around why relationships are so critical for our health, our well-being, and for creating what he calls an integrated brain—which he equates with a healthy brain.
His answer helped me to understand the importance of implementing Mindsight into our daily life. He said:
“The word mind doesn’t actually have a formal definition—not in education, psychotherapy, or even in fields like psychology that study it directly. But if we look closely, the mind includes your subjective experience—that inner feeling of being alive. It also includes consciousness—the ability to know that you’re having that subjective experience. And beyond that, there’s information processing—which doesn’t always require consciousness and is essentially what school focuses on: learning to process information.
When you understand the mind as a self-organizing process—a complex system that regulates its own becoming—you begin to see the power of teaching about the mind itself. This is what we call Mindsight. And if we could bring this understanding into education, the outcomes for students would be profoundly different.”
Key Tip 1 with Dr. Dan Siegel
Understanding and Applying Mindsight which is “the way we focus our attention on the internal world. It’s how we bring consciousness to our own thoughts and feelings, and then next, how we attune to the inner world of someone else. Mindsight gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others.”
💡 If we could bring the concept of Mindsight—focusing attention on the internal world—into education, (or teaching and learning anything) the outcomes for our students would be profoundly different. They would not only learn academic content, (or whatever skill we are teaching) but also how to understand their own subjective experiences and expand their consciousness.
Just as we’ve seen that true change begins by going within, Dr. Siegel shows us that teaching and learning follow the same principle. Mindsight (going within to understand ourselves first, and then extending this understanding to others cultivating empathy) invites us to go deeper with ourselves through self-study, and Dr. Siegel reminds us that clarity emerges when we are willing to take that deeper dive.
He describes Mindsight[viii] as “the way we focus our attention on the internal world. It’s how we bring consciousness to our own thoughts and feelings, and how we attune to the inner world of someone else. Mindsight gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others.”
Importantly, Dr. Siegel explains that Mindsight is more than simply observing—it equips us with the tools to monitor our inner world with clarity and depth, and also to modify it with strength and intention. While mindfulness centers on awareness, Mindsight adds an empowering, action-oriented dimension: the ability to change the structure and function of the brain itself.
With Mindsight, we can literally alter the course of our lives by integrating areas of the brain that were previously disconnected. When we monitor our inner world, we can shift it from chaos toward harmony—moving our mind toward health. That’s the true power of Mindsight.
It’s a way of awakening the mind to the fact that you aren’t a PASSIVE participant of life, but you can become the ACTIVE participant, the Captain of your own ship, he says. This way, you become the author of your own story, of your life.
Which brings us back to EP 366, where we looked at the question “What do you REALLY want to do with your life.” Do you REALLY believe what you want is possible? Dan Siegel, with his research grounded in science, would say it most definitely is possible with the use of Mindsight.
I highly recommend Dr. Siegel’s book, Mindsight, that walks us step by step through how to implement this concept into our daily life. In the front of the book you can see some well-known author reviews, starting with:
“Mindsight is a seminal piece on bringing neuroscience to everyday life, helping us to understand what can go awry in the mind so that, armed with that knowledge, we will be better able to change. The book is a wonderful journey from the mind through the brain and the body and then back again. Dr. Daniel Siegel’s use of elaborate personal as well as patient stories makes us feel as though we are on a guided tour with a friendly group of fellow travelers.” —John J. Ratey, M.D., author of Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain, and co-author of Driven to Distraction
“Mindsight is a remarkable exploration into the synergistic workings of the mind and the brain. Using clinical vignettes as well as revelations about his own life, Dr. Siegel shows us how we can go from reactive impulsiveness to receptive awareness so that we can make valid choices, not blindly repeat maladaptive behaviors. It will be enormously useful for patients and their families, as well as mental health workers and the lay public at large.” —Clarice Kestenbaum, M.D., professor of clinical psychiatry, Columbia University
“This exciting book reveals the secrets of the mind that we have sought in Eastern and Western thought for two thousand years. How do we see the mind and learn to tame it for a happier and healthier life? Filled with engaging stories, Mindsight uses cutting-edge science and deep humanity to address the questions that we all have about the mystery in our skull.” —Natalie Goldberg, author Old Friend from Far Away and Writing Down the Bones
“In The Developing Mind, Daniel Siegel brilliantly revealed how relationships sculpt and are sculpted by the brain. Mindsight is the perfect follow-up, a daring plan of action for a wiser and kinder life that’s transformative yet easy to understand, and should appeal to specialists and laymen alike—in fact, to anyone who wants to enrich their life, their children’s lives, and society.” —Diane Ackerman, author of The Zookeeper’s Wife and A Natural History of the Senses
Tip #1 – Practical Application:
👉 Begin by setting aside a few quiet minutes each day to practice this important skill that Dr. Siegel calls Mindsight. Are you aware of your own thoughts and feelings? Can you name the emotions that you feel? This will help you to understand your own inner world. Next, can you extend this concept to others? Are you aware of the thoughts and feelings of those around you? Can you tell how someone else is feeling?
Can you apply what you see with this practice that will increase insight into ourselves while also increasing our empathy for others? This is a good start for implementing Mindsight into our daily life. Dr. Siegel believes this will cause integration in the brain, and actually change its structure and function, leading us towards improved health and well-being.
DEEPER PRACTICE
If you want to take your Mindsight skills to the next level, I highly recommend Dr. Dan Siegel’s Wheel of Awareness Meditation. You can listen to my review of this meditation on EP 60[ix] that I can tell you took some practice before I was able to explain what I felt during this meditation.
Dr. Siegel narrates us through each part of our body (improving our self-awareness) but in segment 4, he asks us to think about others, and extend our thoughts to them, which is the second part of Mindsight. This I think, was the most important part of the meditation, as I began to focus well-being and intention on not only myself, but those close to me, and then those in different parts of the world. This meditation has remained as one of my favorite practices. I had no idea that this practice was actually causing integration in my brain, and setting me up for improved health and well-being.
In his book, Aware: The Science and Practice of Presence, Dr. Siegel explains that there are research-based elements of mind training that should include 3 pillars: focused attention, open awareness and kind intentions towards others.[x] His Wheel of Awareness practice involves all 3 of these pillars and profound changes happen with the body when you do mind training. He also explains that a 3-pillar meditation practice (like his Wheel) changes the structure and function of the brain in these fascinating ways:
- There’s an integration of structure and function of the brain (integration means well-being).
- There’s a reduction of the stress hormone cortisol.
- There’s an enhancement of immune function.
- Improvement in cardiovascular risk factors.
- Reduction in inflammation via epigenetic changes.
- An optimization of telomerase—which is fascinating as it repairs and maintains the ends of chromosomes and slows aging.
Who wouldn’t want these benefits? The science is clear and proves that implementing a daily meditation practice improves your physical and mental health with many more benefits we will explore further.
VIDEO 2 Click Here to Watch
In Clip 2, I asked Dr. Siegel about emotional intelligence, and he reminded me that “there isn’t an accepted definition of the word emotion.” In his book The Developing Mind (2nd Edition), he defines emotions as “a shift in integration.” While this may sound complex, he explains that this definition actually ties all the sciences of emotion together.
One key insight he shared is that emotions involve both the feeling of emotion and the construction of meaning. And if we want learning in schools to become more meaningful, then emotion must be at the center—because emotion and meaning are inseparable, both in the brain and in our relationships.
Key Point 2 with Dr. Dan Siegel
💡 Emotions are not separate from meaning—they are woven from the same cloth. To make teaching and learning more meaningful, what we are teaching must have an element of emotion.
Reflection:
I think this is such an important reminder—being in touch with our emotions matters whenever we want to make something meaningful and memorable. Whether it’s a classroom lesson, a presentation, or simply something we hope will stay with someone, emotion is the key to making it stick.
Tip #2 – Practical Application:
👉 Begin class (or your workday) with an emotional check-in. Take one minute to name how you’re feeling, (even if you do this in your head yourself) and invite students (or colleagues) to do the same. This simple practice strengthens emotional awareness and ties the learning experience to meaning, making it more impactful.
Also, see if you can become an expert at feeling the emotions of others. Can you feel the shift in a room when emotions are stirred within the audience you are presenting to, or in a classroom? When you say something that hope to spark an emotional connection, watch for your audience to move in some way. Do they sit up straighter, or shift in their chairs? Do they move in any way? This is an important skill to notice and foster, and can become valuable when used at the right moment to make something stick.
Finally, do you model emotion regulation? We covered this on our last episode 370[xi] with Dr. Medina, who shared that “Children build resilience not in calm moments, but in how parents (or caregivers, or even teachers) respond when emotions run high. These moments define our parenting (and teaching) style and shape a child’s long-term emotional health.”
Once we understand how emotional brain works[xii] (how to calm our brain in seconds with this understanding) we can learn to better manage our own emotions, and stay self-regulated.
REVIEW and CONCLUSION
As we wrap up Episode 371, we reviewed 2 clips from our interview with Dr. Daniel Siegel and learned:
Key Tip 1 with Dr. Dan Siegel
Understanding and Applying Mindsight which is “the way we focus our attention on the internal world. It’s how we bring consciousness to our own thoughts and feelings, and how we attune to the inner world of someone else. Mindsight gives us insight into ourselves, and empathy for others.”
Once we understand our own internal world, Mindsight encourages us to turn our attention to the inner world of others—this is how we cultivate true empathy.
When we monitor our inner world, we can shift it from chaos toward harmony—moving our mind toward health. That’s the true power of Mindsight.
Mindsight also causes integration in the brain, and actually change its structure and function, leading us towards improved health and well-being.
It’s a way of awakening the mind to the fact that you aren’t a PASSIVE participant of life, but you can become the ACTIVE participant, the Captain of your own ship. This way, you become the author of your own story, of your life.
Tip #1 – Practical Application:
👉 A way to begin this practice is to set aside a few quiet minutes each day to practice Mindsight. Are you aware of your own thoughts and feelings? Can you name the emotions that you feel? Next, extend this concept to others. Are you aware of the thoughts and feelings of those around you? With practice, you will strengthen your ability to feel empathy for others. This practice can be further strengthened by implementing Dr. Siegel’s Wheel of Awareness Meditation.
The goal: Once you understand your own inner world, it’s much easier to understand someone else’s. This is when we can show true empathy for one another. Once you have mastered this, you can go beyond Mindfulness, because Mindsight is not only about being in the present moment, but being able to modify what is happening in your present moment with this understanding.
Understanding and applying Dr. Siegel’s Mindsight brings us back to EP 366[xiii] we we started this review. If we don’t like what’s happening in our external world—whether it’s in our job, relationships, results, or any area of life—we must first look inward. Our circumstances mirror the beliefs and thoughts we hold within. As James Allen reminds us in As a Man Thinketh: our outer world is always a reflection of our inner state.
Key Point 2 – Dr. Dan Siegel
💡 Emotions and meaning are inseparable—they are woven from the same cloth.
To make learning memorable and impactful, teaching must engage the emotions of those we are teaching, alongside the content. Which means students must have an understanding of what their emotions are.
Practical Tip 2:
👉 Encourage our students to name what they feel. Labeling emotions—like “I’m frustrated” or “I’m excited”—or “I’m feeling good here” and “not so good here” helps them to manage and understand those feelings, making learning more focused and meaningful. We will review this interview at a later date, but Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence Founder Marc Bracket and his book, Permission to Feel[xiv] can help us to further explore this area on understanding the emotions we feel.
👉If we ALL understand how our emotional brain works and how to calm it, with time and practice, this becomes a habit.
The goal: Once we understand our emotions, and how to improve our self-regulation, we can avoid upsets that happen when our emotions run hot. We next learn to co-regulate those around us, an important brain tip we learned from Dr. John Medina.
I hope that you found these 2 video clip reminders from Dr. Dan Siegel’s interview as helpful as I have. It always blows my mind when I revisit something old, and find immense value with something I might have missed, or not understood fully at the time. Implementing this skill Mindsight takes practice, and it’s something I’m still working on myself.
I’ll see you next week with PART 2 of our review with Dr. Dan Siegel.
RESOURCES:
Watch full interview here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7pnea2Vbzc
Clip 1: Mindsight https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Tu9FOHiYUAU
Clip 2: Emotional Intelligence https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EiWh_FPkoxo
Video version of this episode https://youtu.be/HMvbAVajZUs
REFERENCES:
[i] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 366 REVIEW PART 1: Unlocking Your Potential: Refining Goals with Bob Proctor’s Wisdom https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/unlocking-your-potential-redefining-goals-with-bob-proctors-wisdom/
[ii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 369 with Dr. Dawson Church https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/bliss-brain-rewire-your-mind-in-minutes-a-day/
[iii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 370 with Dr. John Medina on “How Neuroscience Can Transform Classrooms” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/brain-rules-revisited-how-neuroscience-can-transform-classrooms/
[iv] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE #28 with Dr. Dan Siegel on “Mindsight: The Basis for Social and Emotional Intelligence” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/clinical-professor-of-psychiatry-at-the-ucla-school-of-medicine-dr-daniel-siegel-on-mindsight-the-basis-for-social-and-emotional-intelligence/
[v] https://mindsightinstitute.com/
[vi] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 60 “The Science Behind a Meditation Practice” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/the-science-behind-a-meditation-practice-with-a-deep-dive-into-dr-dan-siegel-s-wheel-of-awareness/
[vii] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 23 “Understanding Your Brain and Mind for Increased Results” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/understanding-your-brain-and-mind-for-increased-results/
[viii] Dan Siegel on Mindsight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKwQuGCPeFk
[ix] Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 60 “The Science Behind a Meditation Practice” https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/the-science-behind-a-meditation-practice-with-a-deep-dive-into-dr-dan-siegel-s-wheel-of-awareness/
[x] Aware: The Science and Practice of Presence by Daniel J Siegel, MD Published August 21, 2018 Tarcher Perigee
https://www.amazon.com/Aware-Practice-Presence-Groundbreaking-Meditation/dp/1101993049
[xi]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 370 with our Review of Dr. John Medina’s EP 42. https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/brain-rules-revisited-how-neuroscience-can-transform-classrooms/
[xii] Self-Regulation Dan Siegel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcDLzppD4Jc
[xiii]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 366 REVIEW PART 1: Unlocking Your Potential: Refining Goals with Bob Proctor’s Wisdom https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/raising-your-vibration-bob-proctor-s-guide-to-goal-creation/
[xiv]Neuroscience Meets Social and Emotional Learning Podcast EPISODE 22 with Marc Brakett https://andreasamadi.podbean.com/e/founding-director-of-the-yale-center-of-emotional-intelligence-on-his-new-book-permission-to-feel/
