On this episode of Modern Web Podcast, Rob Ocel interviews Mark Erikson, the Redux maintainer and senior front end engineer at Replay.io. They discuss the arcane complexities of publishing JavaScript packages to NPM today, the balance between developer experience and user experience when it comes to open source libraries, the unique troubles for React/Next library authors, and the responses to Mark’s wildly successful blog about upgrading Redux to use ESM.
00:00:01] Ecosystem evolves, nobody at the wheel.
[00:07:02] Open source library complexity: Dev exp. vs user exp.
[00:13:11] ESM vs CJS: Technical merits, tree shaking, syntax.
[00:18:35] Lazy-load files with CJS/ESM.
[00:23:37] Publish libraries in multiple formats, React server components.
[00:30:38] React team locks out valid code paths.
[00:35:26] Open source maintainer responsibility: Maximally compatible, widely respected.
[00:42:25] Competing philosophies on web evolution.
[00:47:54] Unifying competing standards for developers.
[00:53:19] Expertise gained through unexpected challenges.
Sponsored by This Dot Labs.
Modern Web Podcast S11E17- Astro: Do You Even Need JavaScript? with James Quick
Modern Web Podcast S11E16- Does Replay Fix All Debugging Issues? - Jason Laster, Co-Founder at Replay.io
Modern Web Podcast S11E15- Remix vs Next.js: Who Will Win the Framework War? + Is React Over? with Ben Lesh & Adam Rackis
Modern Web Podcast S11E14- All About TresJS: Vue.js, Open Source, and 3D Magic with Alvaro Saburido
Modern Web Podcast S11E13- Unlock the Power of DivOps Engineering with Ben Ilegbodu and Jonathan Creamer
Modern Web Podcast S11E12- The Evolving Ecosystem of Open Source with Daniel Roe, Nuxt Team Lead
Modern Web Podcast S11E11- What is a Product Manager? with Andrea Griffiths of GitHub
Modern Web Podcast S11E9- Exploring Million.js: A Revolutionary Virtual DOM Replacement with Aiden Bai, Creator of Million.js
Modern Web Podcast S11E8- ReactJS vs. Solid with Dax Raad, Founder of Bumi
Modern Web Podcast S11E7- Angular’s Renaissance: The Community-Powered Framework with Mark Thompson and Alyssa Nicoll
Modern Web Podcast S11E6- The React Ecosystem Shake-Up: Who’s to Blame? with Adam Rackis, Senior Web Engineer at Spotify
Modern Web Podcast S11E5- What Everyone Gets Wrong About AI-Powered Development- Moving Beyond the Obvious with Jerome Hardaway
Modern Web Podcast S11E4- Frameworks vs. Fundamentals: Striking the Right Balance ft The Whiskey Web and Whatnot Podcast
Modern Web Podcast S11E3- Design System Engineering at Scale with Kathleen McMahon
Modern Web Podcast S11E2- Exploring Svelte, Open Source, and Discord Bots with Willow (GHOST)
Modern Web Podcast S11E1- Why All Developers Should Attend Conferences with Kayla Sween, Organizer of MagnoliaJS
Modern Web Podcast S10E25- Navigating Tech Career Transitions with Insights from Netflix Engineering Managers Jem Young & Ryan Burgess
Modern Web Podcast S10E24- Unbelievable Transformation: How CodePen Revolutionized Web Development with Co-Founder Chris Coyier
Modern Web Podcast S10E23- The Secrets of Software Reliability: A Proactive Approach for Seamless User Experiences with Maggie Johnson-Pint
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