Chris is a dear friend and currently the founder and managing director of SMART studios. In this conversation, we cover Chris’ labyrinth yet inspiring career journey. From starting as a theology student to being a social worker, starting a business in the building industry, failing at that and then finding a solid foundation as a technology product manager..by first teaching himself how to code. There a few lessons we all can draw from Chris’ journey. Lessons such as overcoming shame and learning how to get help when you need it, the distinction between meaning and happiness and finding peace at the bottom. Hope you enjoy