Paratopia 012: Norio Hayakawa

Long-time ufologist and activist Norio Hayakawa joins us to talk about his project: The Dulce Underground UFO Base Conference.

What starts as a typical conversation about alleged alien/military handshake deals and joint underground facilities takes a 180 degree turn when Norio reveals his true motivation behind the conference and what he really thinks of the lore! [originally aired: 2009]