In this episode of the podcast, co-host Susannah Gold and Sunny Gandara speak with Ilaria Petitto, owner of Donnachiara winery in Irpinia (Campania), Italy. Ilaria speaks about her work in her own vineyards, which indigenous grapes are easier to grow organically, and what she sees happening in the rest of her region and in Italy generally. We touch on reasons why organic farming is difficult and get her views on certifications.