How long does a teacher need to teach to become a leader? How can leadership be mindfully designed so that we're not creating more meaningless work for teachers? This is a topic Tasha C. Ring explored in a conversation with Eric L. Dustman, PhD, a head of school specializing in learning and development among children and staff. Over a 30-year career, he has written and presented extensively, lending expertise and ideas to the discourse about human development and welfare.