A conversation on "The Meaning of Things" myth, and the search for an embodied, symbolic faith.
📺Jordan Peterson and the Gospel: Where Evangelicals Are Headed Next
What happens when archetypes meet the altar? In this longform conversation with Eric Benjamin @meaningofthings we trace how Jordan Peterson's symbolic lens is influencing evangelical theology, confession, and spiritual formation. From the rise of internet spirituality to in-the-trenches church leadership, we explore the hunger for meaning reshaping the evangelical imagination — and why the gospel must remain more than myth, but not less than one.
We wrestle with the question: Is the future of evangelicalism symbolic, sacramental, or something deeper still?
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⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 – Intro + The Symbolic World Summit and Evangelical Crosscurrents
Christian reflects on the emerging overlap between Peterson’s ideas and evangelical influencers like Ruslan and “What Do You Meme.”
12:30 – Confession, Collapse, and Archetypal Awakening
A personal story of failure, sacrifice, and how ancient symbols can become painfully real.
24:10 – Are Stories Just Symbols? Evangelical Bible Reading Reconsidered
Eric and Christian examine the difference between moral lessons and spiritually participatory narratives.
34:55 – Jordan Peterson, Ladder Theology, and the Limits of Self-Help Christianity
A critique of archetypal religion that tries to climb to God rather than receiving grace from Him.
46:40 – From Worship Teams to Embodied Faith: Can the Church Recover Participation?
Why worship isn’t just music — and how structure and liturgy create space for real presence.
58:15 – The Role of Communion in Non-Sacramental Churches
What does it mean when even low-church pastors admit “our communion sucks”?
1:10:20 – Discipleship, Gardens, and the Fractals of Worship
From prayer journals to baking bread, how small, embodied acts shape a whole theology.
1:22:40 – Can Peterson Ever Walk Through the Door?
Peterson holds the door open for seekers — but can he ever fully step through?
1:33:15 – Hell, Healing, and Rebuilding Self-Respect After Sin
Christian shares how telling the truth didn’t fix everything — but started the path back.
1:42:30 – The Archetype and the Flesh: Why Jesus Must Be More Than a Pattern
The gospel isn’t just a model to imitate — it’s a person to follow, trust, and be saved by.
🧠 Guests & Mentions:
Eric Benjamin @meaningofthings
Paul VanderKlay
Jonathan Pageau
Jordan Peterson
Tim Mackie (BibleProject)
Michael Heiser
John Vervaeke
Ruslan
What Do You Meme
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