This episode goes in a different direction from our season 3 theme as John talks with Rev. John Trapp about false narratives we believe in ministry. Check out the time-stamps below to navigate the episode:
1:27 - Introduction of John Trapp
6:01 - Two interesting facts about Trapp
9:25 - Explanation of the unique format for this episode
11:15 - People-pleasing
15:02 - Some fruit of people pleasing
16:32 - Personal stewardship
17:35 - The need for people's approval
20:11 - Productivity equals value
26:35 - Ministry is dependent upon our strength
31:03 - Teaching/preaching in our strength
34:38 - The ministry depends on your energy
36:50 - We are the savior of the ministry
40:22 - Numbers and ministry
42:22 - Cool people in ministry
49:20 - The need for praise/affirmation
54:15 - Ministry is a higher calling?
59:40 - Trapp gives advice on transition
1:04:45 - Trapp gives a resource recommendation