We have all been watching the events in the US unfold over the last week regarding the indictment of President Trump. It is an honour to have award-winning journalist and author Diana West join us again to take a clear look at the madness. We all know the the left hate Trump and everything he stands for with a passion but what has transpired over the last few days really takes this fear and loathing of him up several notches, the charges the Democrat led legal system have brought against him seem flimsy...
We have all been watching the events in the US unfold over the last week regarding the indictment of President Trump.
It is an honour to have award-winning journalist and author Diana West join us again to take a clear look at the madness.
We all know the the left hate Trump and everything he stands for with a passion but what has transpired over the last few days really takes this fear and loathing of him up several notches, the charges the Democrat led legal system have brought against him seem flimsy and weak.
There does not seem to be any smoking gun or legal failure that will take Trump down, yet the Democrats continue this legal charade which seems to only unite the Republican party and Trumps core base even more, join us for Diana's expert analysis.
Diana West is an award-winning journalist and the author of The Red Thread: A Search for Ideological Drivers Inside the Anti-Trump Conspiracy, American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation's Character and The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization. Diana is also one of 19 co-authors of Shariah:The Threat to America (a Center for Security Policy publication).
Diana’s work has appeared in many publications and news sites including The American Spectator, Breitbart News, The Daily Caller, Dispatch International, The Epoch Times, Family Security Matters, Gates of Vienna, Manhattan, Inc., M, Inc., National Wildlife Magazine, The New Criterion, The Public Interest, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times, The Washington Post Magazine and The Weekly Standard. She has made numerous television, documentary and radio appearances, and addressed audiences including at the American Legion, the Danish Parliament, the Heritage Foundation, the Hudson Foundation, ICON, Institute for the Study of Strategy and Politics, Judicial Watch, the National Vietnam Veteran and Gulf War Coalition, the Naval War College, the Union League Club, and Yale.
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TRANSCRIPT
[0:22] Hello, Hearts of Oak, and thank you for joining us for another interview.
Coming up with Diana West.
Obviously, we're looking at what is happening in the States with President Trump being indicted, being in New York and then coming back to Mar-a-Lago for that speech, which I watched.
And Diana West, obviously as a US citizen, having her finger on the pulse is the perfect person to try and explain some of the madness of what is happening stateside.
So we just go through and she shares her thoughts on what she has seen, the judicial system.
[0:55] The politicization of that, the media, the lack of response, how the Democrats' hatred of Trump, which we know all too well, and how this will play and how it's galvanized, I think, Trump's support amongst the Republican base. Because there is a distinction between Republican support for Trump and all those rinos and it's been intriguing watching the rinos come out in support of Trump.
The Romneys, the John Bolton's, so many have come out in support of Trump. So I know you will enjoy listening to Diana as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.
And hello Hearts of Oak and it's absolutely wonderful to have Diana West back with us again. Diana thank you so much for joining us.
Well it's wonderful to be back with you Peter.
Great to be back and your country is seen crazy times at the moment. I will get into that looking at the indictment of President Trump is at the end for America and everything is happening around that. Obviously the viewers can follow you on Gab @RealDianaWest and dianawest.net is your website. They can follow everything you are doing there.
Now I think the first, I watched the Wednesday morning when I watched the Trump speech, watched the plane flying to New York.
[2:20] I think probably that was Tuesday evening. But I mean, my thoughts were, if you're gonna take the former president or current president out, your case needs to be shocking.
It needs to be absolutely overwhelming.
And watching it, it kind of seems to be quite underwhelming.
In what's been put forward. But can I ask you, what are your thoughts as an American watching what has been unfolding?
Well first of all this is it's a black day for America because this is
[2:55] not any sort of a legitimate prosecution. This is a political persecution and prosecution of the opposition leader at a time when, and you and I have talked about this before, America is in a post-coup period.
We had a coup d'état between November 3rd, 2020 and January 6th, 2021.
And so right now, the government that governs us, frankly, we don't know who's governing us because we have a puppet in the White House, and we have effectively some kind of a, what we might think of now as some sort of a junta, that has gone out to arrest the opposition leader.
And I think that one of the most striking comments on these events comes from the president of El Salvador, El Salvador in Central America, who said, imagine if this happened to a leading opposition presidential candidate here in El Salvador.
There would be all manner of cries of banana republic, junta power, strongman politics, and all the rest of it.
That's the American position, the state of America today.
[4:10] There don't seem to be any new facts on the table. And I know President Trump talked about others looking at this case.
If you look at some of the issues on the table taking aside the, this is taking out the opposition candidate, putting that aside.
And what they brought, it doesn't seem to be anything ground-breaking, there's no smoking gun. It just seems to be the same old stuff.
[4:37] Right. That is true. I mean, in terms of a legal case, it is, I'm not a lawyer, but legal experts are looking at this as a junk case, which is the point. But I think also interesting to your viewers would be the notion that campaign violations, campaign finance violations happen periodically to all manner of politicians and they generally are treated as a fine.
Witness Hillary Clinton, who had a similar kind of discrepancy in her campaign finance forms related to her payment for the Steele dossier, which was a disguised payment.
And she was fined, I think it was $8,000. That's kind of the level that we're operating at.
Obviously, this has been exploited and exploded and exaggerated in order to make this kind of a political display which ties right into the next presidential campaign cycle.
Believe me, if Donald Trump were enjoying retirement and simply, he's 76 years old, I mean, remember that.
If he were simply playing golf and playing with his grandchildren, I tend to think this would not be happening, but he has not taken himself out of the ring.
[5:53] And I think that this is what he gets. This is what he's had to deal with in different forms since he first emerged as the presidential candidate going back to 2016 or 2015 even.
This is the treatment that he has received because I think if we step back and we look at this first from the vantage point of Central America as what happens in dictatorships, But then stepping back to even farther, when we look at where Trump 2016
[6:26] actually stands in terms of the whole globalist project, the project toward world governance, the project away from democracy, away from individual freedom and so on.
He was the great interrupter. And I saw such an interesting clip from George Soros circa 2009 today.
I'd never seen it before. You know, we used to look at some of these experts, if you wanna call Soros an expert, but people, leading figures in finance or politics, least I did, and sort of think they were giving you their assessment of things, as if they were thinking independently or didn't have already a plan.
And as I watched Soros in 2009 explain that, well, the American economy is going to stay weakened, the American dollar, we have to see that the American dollar is weakened, China will be the driver of that, and will emerge as the leading economy.
This was kind of his spiel back in 2009. And you realize all throughout Barack Obama's two terms, this was certainly happening.
[7:29] It was going to continue happening under Hillary Clinton, and then you have this great interrupter.
And so he's not only a great interrupter of American politics, he is a great interrupter of the globalist project.
And I think that it's good to remember that in terms of trying to understand why, as you say, you know, warmed over charges are things that have already been looked at and dismissed political machinations, why we're getting this now.
And it's, he remains an interrupter, even after everything that's happened, he remains this very potent force and they just can't let it go.
And the other thing to remember for your British and European viewers is also, this repudiation of Trump was a repudiation of the American people, because the American people voted for him in 2020.
And so when it's not simply targeting Trump the person, it's targeting the entire American political process.
We are disenfranchised officially, and now we're actually seeing the man I consider to be president in exile, now president possibly in incarceration going forward.
So it's a terrible time in America.
[8:45] Explain to us how, for those of us across the pond, over the UK and Europe.
Is it simply that any attorney general of any state can simply bring charges against Trump?
Is it because some of the businesses are based in New York?
I mean, is it simply that the attorney general here, Alvin Bragg, just has utter hatred of Trump and he's the one who's willing to do this?
Well, that's a good question. And I don't wanna be ignorant about what attorneys general can do in different states against
national figures, figures that have connections to the state, residency in the state at a time when charges could be brought. I think that's true.
I think that's true.
It's the kind of thing that certainly doesn't happen. This is unprecedented in American history to see criminal charges pressed against a president.
It's this particular case is something that is kind of a hybrid case because there are federal aspects of it knit into these state charges.
But the important thing to remember is that someone like Alvin Bragg is an elected official.
He's an elected Democrat official.
[10:00] And for example, when you see Congress now talking about, oh, we're going to investigate Alvin Bragg, that is actually a way for them to do absolutely nothing because what jurisdiction could Congress, our federal representatives in Washington, have over a state elected official in New York,
what they are really doing, in my view, is avoiding exercising the powers that they do have in this same political legal process.
And that is specifically related to what we may be seeing happen to Trump.
[10:33] And that will be in the area of federal charges. We're not out of the woods.
He's not out of the woods in terms of perhaps getting charged by the Justice Department related to various cases that are open against him.
And the Justice Department is under the jurisdiction of the Congress.
There's oversight of the Justice Department, oversight responsibilities that our elected representatives are supposed to be actually carrying out, specifically the prosecutions and also the judges.
We have federal judges now who may be sitting over Trump in the future, in the near future even, who have been using their judgeships to strip away due process and create new precedents, all related to the January 6th prosecutions, which have been ongoing.
And the dragnet is increasing. They're vowing to bring in a thousand more of these nonviolent, often generally misdemeanour charges against Americans who were there to protest the election steal on January 6, 2021.
In that bench, this federal bench of DC, you have judges that have created this new precedent for incarcerating pretrial defendants, defendants who have
[12:01] not come to have now been incarcerated for over two years in absolutely gulag-like conditions, in DC and elsewhere in this country, in penal institutions, experiencing torture, literally experiencing beatings, abuse, deprivation, and these are non-violent defendants, these are non-violent charges, these are often just misdemeanour charges. And what the reason I'm bringing this up is that this is a place Congress has jurisdiction and is punting, just absolutely not doing anything about it. And this is also a place where all these presidents have been created, I fear, to execute against
[12:45] President Trump. And if he, this is something that we have, this is the other crazy thing that I'd like you to know, Peter, is that this whole story in many, many ways is considered an alternative media story.
And I don't mean the President Trump arraignment, which was a media circus, but in terms of
[13:05] what has come out about the federal involvement in January 6th, the assets, provocateurs, informants from the federal and other governmental agencies, including DC Metro Police, that were involved in either getting, worming their way into the confidence of certain defendants and their defence team circles, or actually inciting and leading violent and lawless abuse of the law on January 6th.
There's video, new video of Metro police actually exhorting people to break through police lines, climb scaffolding, things like that.
This was very much a frame up in so many ways as we're learning.
Judges have been making this kind of information, which is part of the discovery process, not available to defendants.
They've been, again, leaving them to rot in these gulag-like conditions.
And Congress has done nothing about this. So when I hear them now ranting and railing about Alvin Bragg, to me that is a complete act of misdirection.
Where are they in terms of calling out this political persecution out for what it is? Nowhere.
[14:19] And so, you know, this is sort of why we are in such a compounded, dark place and have been.
You know, this is not something to look at as a discrete news event.
This is a consolidation of the seizure of power that took place going back to the last presidential election.
Yeah, we've had Jake Lang on and I was shocked. I had no idea the situation with so many people being held without trial and everyone should have the right to due process.
And it seems those individuals have not, simply because the Democrats have decided that. So I was blown away by the situation.
It's shocking. It's shocking. And again, it's an alternative media story or if you talk to individual defendants, it's absolutely suppressed.
But meanwhile, they've been creating this new set of rules that could very well, maybe they were created in the first place knowing that someday the dragnet would include President Trump. I wouldn't put it past any of them.
But it's also important to know that a lot of these same people are very much part and parcel of the democratic machine, including, for example, the U.S. attorney of the District of Columbia, a man named Matthew Graves, who in 2020 was on the domestic policy committee of the Biden-Harris campaign.
[15:40] So this is the kind of people sitting, It's not against the rules or the lot for this to be the case, of course, but it's just showing where these people are coming from.
[15:53] There's no recusal when there are tremendous political affinities that are part of a background, including, for example, the judge who will be sitting in judgment of President Trump.
His own daughter is deeply embedded in democratic politics to the point of working for Kamala Harris and Adam Schiff as well, who was the congressional representative who led the impeachments against President Trump.
Nobody sits and says, oh, well, maybe I'm a little, you know, there might be the appearance of impropriety. If I were to sit in judgment, I should recuse myself for someone who has less partisan ties, for example.
It doesn't happen. It's, it's, that doesn't happen in political persecutions.
And you know, where do you, where do you go for historical precedent?
I mean, I go from everywhere from the French Revolution to certainly show trials that took place in the Soviet Union for this kind of
[16:53] punishment of opposition. It's not merely making sure people obey the law. It's about punishing people for the way they think and for having the temerity of exercising their First Amendment rights in so many of these cases. So that is kind of where we are. We are, you know, post-constitutional. We are post-democratic. It's just a terrible thing to wake up to, but there also seems to be very little realization of just how these different events knit together. And it's really important to see them, I think, in a continuum.
With the legal system so politicized, certainly I from a student of politics from very far away from the US have never seen such a level of politicization in the judicial system, in the legal system. And that absolute division, I mean,
[17:57] Trump divides people like no other. You either love him or you hate him and we see that absolute hate in the Democrats that they're not interested in right or wrong, they're simply interested in the hatred of Trump. Where does that leave, I guess that begins to become apparent to the American people despite the failure of the media to report fairly. But I mean, yeah, talk to us, through that politicization of the legal system.
Well, it's a very interesting subject you raise, this politicization. And I think that to really understand it, we have to go back, gosh, it's probably about 100 years, to Pavlov's dog. Pavlov was the very important Soviet, well, Russian to Soviet scientist who did all the experimentation on conditioned response.
[18:55] And he very famously, you know, most people think of his dog who was conditioned to salivate, first for a piece of nice meat, but then you could take the meat away and you could create the salivation with, I think he used a red light to create the same thing. And what a lot of people don't know is he did experiments on people as well and the learned response is something that has unfortunately, tragically, entered into our world of politics and media. And certainly beginning with, in the most dangerous ways, going via totalitarian states.
And certainly we get to, for example, the Chinese revolution that brought Mao to power, we get the term brainwashing.
Brainwashing, when I was growing up, I thought brainwashing was sort of a cartoon term that it was not a real thing, but it actually was this washing of the brain, this creating these responses, these conditioned responses.
[20:01] And in China, this was done by repetition, by these groups and communes that would preach over and over again the same messaging.
And you would face ostracism and so on if you did not adhere.
And then now the reason I'm going through this is it's not at all, I'm not exaggerating.
I'm talking about what has come into our politics in all the democracies really, but in the Trump example,
[20:29] this has been, the divisiveness is part of this learned response.
And in terms of the acceptance of our current regime, I will never forget on election night in 2020, watching the coverage and seeing as things were, or maybe the next day, as things were starting to look very murky in terms of the outcome and what had happened and the various accounts of different kinds, many, many different kinds of fraud that were becoming quite clear.
You started hearing the exact same phrase in every written and spoken news story.
And it was the phrase was something like unfounded claims of election fraud, unfounded claims of election fraud.
This started before anyone had even finished counting anything.
And so I bring that up just because we are all victimized, I do believe, by this conditioned reflex regime that just became so commonly used to manipulate
[21:31] people.
So in terms of the divisiveness of Trump, I think that that was another one of the conditioned response operations, if you will. Certainly it's used all across politics in many different ways.
But if your question was, where do we go from there? Or, I'm sorry, I lost your actual question as I was trying to lay the groundwork for something.
Yeah, just with that massive division, you've got a problem in society.
If you have institutions siding with one side, it takes away the whole pretence of democracy, I guess.
[22:08] Well, yes, but I would take it a step further because we are not in a normal time.
And I would say that it's not a matter of the institution siding with one side or another.
I think our institutions have been seized from within. I mean, I think we're looking at a very, you know,
[22:26] a different kind of long march through the institutions than the kind that we would look at again, you know, in China, for example, where you see a revolution, you see it take shape, you know, you watch it and you know what's going on and they have red stars on their shoulders, right, so you know what's going on.
The revolution that took place in America is one that is that is at least we can we can certainly date it a hundred years, or date it 90 years for sure since the Franklin Roosevelt administration, but it has been a revolution from within. It has been a Frankfurt school revolution.
It has involved the seizure of all these institutions. Everything had to be in a line to get to 2020. Everything had to work. The courts had to be gone. Both political parties had to be subverted. The education, on and on through all of this. So this is a very long, a long war that is now in this particular, perhaps, end stage.
So it's not so much that the institutions are to one side, it's that the institutions were seized. I mean that's how I look at it. It's just not politics as usual, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
[23:39] 100%. I mean watching the man himself, Donald Trump, watched his speech, confidence, bravado.
And I had the absolute privilege to see him speak at CPAC, being at the front there and being in a pre-event beforehand with a smaller group with him. And I was blown away by the show.
You see the showmanship on TV, but that absolute confidence.
And it is, I guess, also arrogant.
But that leadership, that's what you need to actually lead people, to stand for what you believe with, to portray those values and take a country with you and he has all of that and I'm kind of wondering what the Democrats, want to do with this. They know who they're up against and they know his strength of character and they know the widespread support that he has and I'm wondering whether they've kind of overplayed their hand because I can only see this emboldening Trump.
[24:47] Yeah, it does. I think you're right about that. I think that It's hard to imagine that they wouldn't know, the reaction this would have and you know It's sort of another level of nefariousness if that's the case because it may be that what they're really trying to do is embolden all of us to a point where they can bring a hammer down on you know in different ways, It's a really strange thing to be in the country and have this feeling of occupation.
[25:25] Is that the right word? Of alienation from the institutions, alienation from these law enforcement agencies, fear of them.
It's a very strange thing. You look back at history and we see takeovers.
We see tanks rolling. We see, this has been such a different process.
So yes, he's emboldened.
He is, I think, certainly one of the most remarkable men of destiny that we've seen in our lifetime.
And he stacks up against many others in history, love him or hate him.
He is this remarkable, irrepressible man.
[26:06] He is a man, people forget. He's a man, he's a human being, he's 76 years old.
It's an amazing thing what he was subjected to for running for president, for being elected, for actually trying to govern.
I mean, I think a lot of other people would have withered away at this point and gone happily into a retirement situation.
So yes, it is, you're correct that the impact is what you would think would be backfiring, And yet, do we have a system at this point where the people's will can even be translated into political power?
And my cynical, I don't even think it's cynical, but just having experienced the last few years, I don't have that confidence to say the least.
I don't think we have any expectation that voting in 2024 is going to mean something if our candidate is not the chosen candidate.
And that is kind of really how bad things are in America at this point.
We have a 2020 election that was never, never addressed. We did not have the audit that was required, for anyone to have any confidence in the American political system.
[27:30] So 2024 is going to be better? It doesn't make any sense. But look what happened in 2020.
Every institution on the right walked away from it. Everyone, every foundation, every party, everything, they walked away and said, oh, we're going to take care of election integrity going forward.
It's kind of ridiculous. But it's not ridiculous. It's sinister.
[27:56] Obviously you expect Trump's core base within the Republican Party, but watching Mitt Romney.
[28:05] Watching John Bolton, watching a whole plethora of rinos actually come out and speak up, watching Pence come out, I find that intriguing.
Tell me what your thoughts were on this galvanization of the Republican Party.
Oh, it's just, it's excruciating. They are such, they are such losers.
And they're, you know, I don't know what the best historical parallel, I'll have to think about it for a minute, but they are about as inspiring, you know, as a soggy piece of Wonder Bread.
I mean, it's ridiculous, but they are what is, it's kind of like, I often think of politics and media, to be honest, and historians and so on.
There are certain ones who operate inside the circus ring, and they can play with certain balls and certain dancing bears, and that's all very much fun.
But actually, everything that's important is outside the circus ring.
And if you go outside the circus ring, that's when you get zapped by this deep, dark state of whatever you want to call the powers that be.
And certainly all those men you just mentioned are all exactly circus ring dancing bears.
And so they can do whatever they want, but it's meaningless.
They're impotent and they're embarrassing.
[29:27] But yet they're putting their public support, now privately it may be hugely different, but that galvanization of the Republican Party makes, obviously the Democrats have thought through this.
That's what I can't quite work out. have thought through the scenarios, And yet it's coming back to hit them so quickly.
In terms of Trump's resurging support?
Yes, within the Republican Party, that there is anger at what's been happening at a former president being indicted.
And those who traditionally were not for Trump suddenly are saying, actually, this is wrong, at least publicly.
It's interesting that kind of coalition that is coming together only because of the stupidity of the Democrats?
Well, if Trump is so enmeshed in this legal fiasco.
[30:27] Which again can also include other charges in other jurisdictions like the federal jurisdiction, it could be that they just are banking on the fact that Trump will not be around for whatever reason.
I mean, they will somehow take him out.
And so then they become the brand. And frankly, it's also, I think, nobody wants Trump supporters in the Republican Party.
That part of the Republican Party wants nothing to do with Trump supporters, nothing to do with MAGA.
And in fact, historically speaking, the Trump supporters, the MAGA people of today, have been previously purged from Republican polite society in the past.
This is not a new development in American politics.
The sort of traditional right, the American first type, very sort of heart of oak and heart, you know, the yeoman type American has long been unwelcome
[31:34] in Republican party circles that could be represented by a Mike Pence or a Romney.
And so in some ways, maybe that's also what this is about.
The branding continues and the uni-party, because they do represent what we could also call, not just rinos, but the uni-party, the party in charge of things, is just perfectly happy to be in the minority, or not be in power, but part of the process.
And so I think maybe that's kind of what drives them. I mean, it's certainly a conundrum, But I think those sorts of factors do play into some of what we're watching.
It's again, looking from the UK, this seems to be all about hush money and hush money NDAs.
They're fairly common in business across the board. So once again, I'm scratching my head thinking, is this your smoking gun?
Is this it? And they seem, the AG seem to say that, well, there could be other charges, but if the charges are not there, then you can't really defend yourself.
And there seems to be utter confusion from their side.
[32:50] Right, right. But in terms of the political accomplishment, the media accomplishment, it doesn't really matter, does it?
I mean, you could, again, go back to the January 6th cases. The charges are ridiculous.
[33:03] The charges are exaggerations. There have been people who've been literally had on their indictment the crime of going like this to a police, I mean, like raising your finger to a policeman or putting on a Trump hat on a statue, this becomes a crime that ruins your life and makes your business close and your wife divorce you.
I mean, literally, that's what's going on. These are all pretexts.
If you're looking for legal gravity or legal answers, you're not going to find them because, again, that's what a political prosecution is.
Back to Stalin's show trials or some of these other exercises in simply eradicating the opposition. That's what this is. And it's Trump, it's the people who would support him.
At this point, I mean, think of the chilling effect that these prosecutions, all of them have had on just free speech in America, people being afraid.
I mean, how can you not be afraid if you're going to get in legal jeopardy and perhaps clapped in irons because of one of these ridiculous, not, you know, parading in the Capitol or some such thing that's usually, and we can go back to the Kavanaugh hearings of 20, what
[34:28] year was that? 2018.
The Kavanaugh hearings are the perfect case for people to refresh on because they, the anti-Kavanaugh protesters occupied Senate office building.
They did all the things and more in terms of interrupting the vote, the actual vote on the floor in Congress, all of these things. And they got nothing more than a ticket. They got a ticket that I believe at maximum was a $50 fine. No arrest went into their record. I was watching this report from 2018 and the reporter was explaining that these people who were occupying the building. They had to be taken out. You know, basically, the policeman would tap on their shoulder and they weren't even put in handcuffs or zip ties. They were given a color-coded bracelet. That's how the left treats protesters. That's how the state treats the protesters.
When you get to the Trump situation, the January 6th situation, they slam every possible thing and it becomes essentially domestic terrorism. So, you know, again, these are Trump, no pun intended, these are Trumped up charges. So the harder you look at what Alvin Bragg has to say about Trump, I think you're just going to keep scratching your head and just say
[35:45] well, it's not in the legal code. There's something else going on here.
What about the money? I think Donald Trump Jr. talked about 20 million being spent, whether or not that's correct, but it'll be a lot of money. And when people are living in cities, including New York, where the police are being wound down, not giving the powers, and you've got rising crime, across the country. And you wonder, is this actually a good use of resources to spend money on someone who paid someone else to keep a secret? Again, will that make people angry?
That actually this is not the bread and butter issue that we care about.
[36:29] Well, that's a good question. It's also the case, and I think it was the Daily Mail, thank you, that reported this, that Alvin Bragg had released something like 10 extremely violent felons back into the New York population and chose instead to drag President Trump in for this completely nonviolent and as you say, perfectly legal non-disclosure agreement between these parties.
Yeah, I mean, I think it would make people angry, but what, you know, New York City, what is New York City?
President Trump was saying he really should be tried in a different jurisdiction because it's something like 1% Republican, which is another problem for the January 6th defendants because they're being tried in Washington, DC, which is roughly similar in terms of political feelings.
So it's, again, it's by any means necessary. Political prosecutions don't have to make the city run better, right?
I mean, it's not about him trying to protect New Yorkers. It's a show trial and it shouldn't happen in America.
[37:39] It shouldn't happen anywhere. But it's usually the kind of thing we would expect to see, we would expect to read about from North Korea or Albania or Castro's Cuba or something like that.
And that's why it is such a shock. And I guess it's also maybe why you are looking to see the grain of reality there or the cause.
There must be a cause. This can't be happening in America, but it is.
And that's why I keep, it's not a popular message, but we are in a post-democratic period.
Our government was seized in 2021. And the rightful president lives in exile at a beautiful place in Florida when he's not being arranged in New York City.
So it's kind of we're in a, it's a head spinning moment, but it is a crisis. It's a real crisis.
What's the deal, because I am assuming this has been put in play simply to tie Trump up with legal issues and therefore slow down or stop his ability from putting his name forward for 2024.
So they don't have to actually rule anything. They just have to tie him up and slow him down.
[38:55] Right. Of course, we know that won't happen. If he is simply dealing with legal problems, he will use them.
I mean, as I understand it, he wanted a mugshot because I think they had a plan to get it right out.
And in fact, there is a T-shirt, which I really want to buy.
I don't know if it says free Trump or not guilty, but they sort of created a mugshot for their T-shirt.
Clearly, I mean, that kind of attitude is really where he gets so much of his support and affection.
Because believe it or not, I mean, and I have to have a big exception here.
I've been very estranged from Donald Trump ever since he started to push the vaccine.
He's not taken a step back from pushing that thing, no matter how many people have died and been injured.
And I just kind of said, well, I'm done. I'm through with him.
I can't even look at him anymore.
And then this thing comes along and you realize that once again, he's on a front line alone and you just have to kind of, you know, accept him for what he is and where we are and what who else is there.
And then you kind of, you know, you kind of find your, your feeling for him again, but it's it's, it's, it won't stop him obviously.
And he, he has such an irrepressible spirit, this life force that he has is something that will turn this kind of thing to his advantage, which I know makes them crazy.
[40:20] You can go back to watching any kind of, we'll go back to the Clintons and watch the way they handled, I mean, they're real crimes.
That's probably one of the main reasons these people committed real crimes.
I mean, think about, not even that he was even in trouble for this, but think about Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton declassified something like 11 million pages of military data that experts believe allowed the Chinese military to totally modernize and revamp itself. He also permitted, American military secrets to go to China in exchange for campaign finance contributions.
[40:58] I mean, that's not just a national security, that's treason. And yet nothing happened. You couldn't even get it into an article of impeachment because they wouldn't give the committee time enough to draw everything up and go forward with different, I mean, and there probably wasn't enough will to be honest as well, but think about that kind of a transgression compared to paying Stormy Daniels $130,000 in a non-disclosure agreement, which as I understand it, was mainly so Melania, his wife, would not find out.
I mean, you know, what hurts the country, right? And who, you know, so it's not really, it's not hypocrisy, it's much worse. It's one kind of crime against the people is fine with the elites. One kind of crime against who? Who's the crime against? It just becomes a pretext to destroy this man.
Maybe the judicial system would be a better place to find Epstein's victims rather than worried about someone who's paid a hundred thou, but that's a whole other area.
[42:14] But just to finish off, I mean I agree 100% with your thoughts on the vaccine side and that's why I really do like what DeSantis has done, but also there's no one like Trump and if Trump is in the ring then why would anyone else be in the ring with him? And I'm wondering what your... it's probably never been in this situation before, obviously never having a president, former president indicted. How do you see this playing out? How do you kind of think we will be watching it?
Well I think a lot depends on how far they will go to use their, I think Nancy Pelosi called it quiver of arrows, against him. If they they actually go to federal charges and actually try to incarcerate him and you know do these absolutely Bolshevik things it becomes it probably becomes really difficult for him to run for office. I think short of that, I think he probably will continue to run and he will probably raise more money than he's ever raised before. So,
[43:29] you know, after that my crystal ball kind of goes black because, you know, there are just so many other problems, you know, that obstacles that are ahead. But that does seem to be my at least short-term view.
Well I'm sure we'll have you back on. Diana, thank you so much for joining us and giving us your thoughts as it's sometimes difficult to assess things from thousands of miles away and you're living that as a US citizen. So thank you for coming on and sharing your thoughts.
Oh well thank you, I'm just thrilled to be able to speak with you about it because it's a lot.
You want people to to get a different perspective now that will come out through the media. So thank you, Peter.
Thank you for coming on.
