In this episode, after talking about the deep sanity of the old people who sit in his gym’s hot tub and steam room, Andrew, spurred by a conversation with his old friend and mentor Andrew Seeley of Thomas Aquinas College and the Institute of Catholic Liberal Education, explores the nature and history of liberal education, the deep need for it in K-12, the need to train people for engagement with reality, sanity as the real in you, and the relationship between the use of pop culture forms and these more classical interventions in the life of youth. For dessert, Andrew tells the story of how a cartoon bear taught him the notion of infinite regress.catholicliberaleducation.org