From time to time, something happens in the Australian political sphere that restores our collective faith in a grassroots participative democracy that places Getting to Better Together at the forefront of consideration. Cathy McGowan's community-based election and parliamentary tenure on the crossbenches of Federal parliament from 2013-19 as the independent member for Indi in northern Victoria, provided a quite remarkable example of such an episode. In this interview with our host Richard Bawden, Cathy shares her thoughts and critical reflections on 'doing politics differently'.