Ron and Chakahier: (Second Interview - Part1) How does a couples therapist help a couple with drift?

A NOTE FROM JASON:

This is Human Nurture. I'm Jason brand, a psychotherapist in Berkeley, and the podcast covers the head-scratching question of how does a couples therapist learns to do that?

A few episodes back, you met Ron and Chakahier. They're out of the Southern part of the United States and they've established separate domains inside their home. Ron's home-life happens inside the den while Chakahier's takes place in the bedroom. In that first interview, they described how two people, that desire connection and are just down the hallway from each other can struggle to come together without walking on eggshells and creating hurt feelings.

So today, what you're going to hear is the first half of my follow-up interview with Ron and Chakahier.  You get a real sense that between interviews they worked hard to find each other. and in this interview, you really can feel into the ebb and flow of them daring to be more vulnerable with their feelings, and then pulling back into fears and frustrations (totally a natural part of the process).

One note: In the interview, I'm in my office in Berkeley and they're in a hotel room in Cincinnati. They are there for a funeral. You'll hear various things going on as they navigate family stuff- family business and family needs. so we make room for that and then come back to the work.

I think that's all you need for today. Thank you for listening and away we go.