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“Beyond ArtLess" with Chris Gleason, Peter Haberman & Phil Ostrander is a podcast that explores the friendships and the community that exists in and outside of the arts and arts education. In each episode of Beyond ArtLess, one of the hosts reveals his mystery guest to the other two. What comes next is a fun-filled conversation revealing the joy of friendship and the artlessness of the hosts. Unlike most successful classrooms, this show is not well planned and probably not worth your time.

Episode List

Rodney Dorsey

Mar 7th, 2026 9:00 PM

Send a textWill Chris find a way to expand Beyond the Notes to include kazoo choirs?  Will Peter make it through the entire podcast on 1 hour of sleep?  Will Phil win an award for longest question ever?  All of these questions will be answered - sadly testing the patience of our exasperated commuters.  Oh well.  The Buzzler and Bandboozler shall provide a short moment of sanity.  Our guest has taught successfully in high schools and colleges throughout the country and is now director of bands at Florida State University.  He is a great advocate for students, a renowned conductor, board member of the Midwest Clinic and an all around wonderful person!  Rodney Dorsey is simply the best.Show LinksU.S. Marine Band forced to cancel concert with students of color after Trump DEI order. Watch the episode here:  https://youtu.be/lhwS06U1SnA?si=z5RutPTfPy-tKzoMREGISTER NOW:2027 BEYOND THE NOTES MUSIC FESTIVAL REGISTRATION OPENS MARCH 9 AT 8:00 PMLearn more at: https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Sarah McKoin

Feb 28th, 2026 3:00 PM

Send a textIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we welcome Dr. Sarah McKoin, educator, conductor, and scholar at Texas Tech University, for a conversation that blends musicianship, mentorship, and corndogs.Dr. McKoin shares her path into higher education and conducting, reflecting on the moments and mentors that shaped her voice as a teacher and musician. From leading ensembles to preparing future musicians, she speaks candidly about the responsibility—and joy—of guiding students toward artistry, confidence, and curiosity. What you’ll hear in this episode:Dr. McKoin’s journey to Texas Tech and the collegiate podiumThe role of mentorship in shaping meaningful musical careersBuilding ensemble culture rooted in trust and excellenceBalancing artistry, scholarship, and leadershipHow to meet famous musicians while eating corndogsHow to make a great free-throw under pressure!This conversation is thoughtful, grounded, and deeply encouraging—reminding us that great teaching is as much about listening and learning as it is about leading.CREDITS:DAHL Sinfonietta: Introduction and Rondo - "The President's Own" U.S. Marine Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo2nBmPQXPoHindemith's Symphony in B-flat | The U.S. Army Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpgXXcAcNQ4Inland Ocean - Viet Cuong (for Grade 2.5 Concert Band) Reading by the West Chester University Wind Ensemble, Dr. Andrew Yozviak, conductor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaB6dSEtS8APatiala Pulse by Shruthi Rajasekar. Concert band Grade 4  Murphy Music Presshttps://murphymusicpress.com/products/cb3-1,045OPENING SOON:2027 BEYOND THE NOTES MUSIC FESTIVAL REGISTRATION OPENS MARCH 9 AT 8:00 PM. Learn more at: https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/REGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Patricia Brumbaugh

Feb 21st, 2026 9:00 PM

Send a textCommuter, you are in for a treat! In this episode, we welcome the extraordinary Patricia Brumbaugh—a trailblazing conductor, educator, mentor, and lifelong advocate for musical excellence.From her early days studying under legendary music educator John Whitwell to leading high school, collegiate, youth, and community ensembles across the country, Pat’s career reflects resilience, high standards, and deep humanity. Named Outstanding Young Band Conductor in the Nation (1984), she has built programs, conducted at major conferences, and shaped generations of musicians—many of whom are still playing today.CREDITSPrelude and Fugue in Bb Major - J.S. Bach arr. Moehlmann. All Illinois Junior Band Send your students to this IL friends! Amazing!  https://www.aijb.org/Canzona - Peter Mennin.  Lowell Graham. United States Air Force Band https://youtu.be/jictlsGlEks?si=M36F93GlAcKzr-o6"The President's Own" United States Marine Band presents Warren Benson's "The Solitary Dancer." Conducted by Col. John R. Bourgeois. From the album "Showcase, Volume Two," recorded in 1990. http://www.marineband.marines.mil/"Ricky" by The Wolves of Glendale. https://youtu.be/3O1WgS-vd1Q?si=KmJCNOr62oU_Wv8KREGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Eytan Wurman

Feb 14th, 2026 11:00 AM

Send a textIn this episode of the Beyond ArtLess Podcast, we dig into Common Time Pathways, a smarter, saner way to connect music students and colleges. Born from one band director’s “why is this so hard?” moment, the platform organizes recruiting data and levels the playing field for programs of all sizes—no dusty spreadsheets required.Founder Eytan Wurman joins us to explain how their matching algorithm pairs students with colleges based on majors, interests, and financial fit, all while keeping data more secure than the locked percussion room. We also look ahead as Common Time Pathways expands into theater, dance, and visual art, and talk about why early, intentional connections help create lifelong musicians—and keep students in the right schools.Smart ideas, real impact, and just enough ArtLess banter to keep things interesting.Learn more about Eytan here:https://www.convergenceensemble.org/eytan-wurman-board-memberhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/eytanwurman/Check out CommonTime Pathways Here:https://www.ctpathways.com/CREDITS:Samara Joy - You Stepped Out Of A Dream (Studio Version) https://youtu.be/vVKbeUs0a_A?si=yLNZeCjWJ6x5k9xh Watch the official music video for “You Stepped Out Of A Dream” by Samara Joy.  Listen to the new single ‘You Stepped Out Of A Dream’: https://SamaraJoy.lnk.to/PortraitIDThe Sun in September · Omar Thomas Large Ensemble https://youtu.be/qCwSOqUZ0Vk?si=ELq6B1HVhnBU4WlY Griot Songs  ℗ 2025 Omar Thomas Music  Released on: 2025-02-07 Main  Artist: Omar Thomas Large Ensemble  Composer: Omar ThomasREGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

Steven Campbell

Feb 7th, 2026 11:00 AM

Send a textIn this episode of Beyond Artless, we’re thrilled to welcome Steve Campbell, tubist with the Minnesota Orchestra, for a conversation that goes well beyond the low notes.Steve shares what it’s really like to build a career in one of the world’s great orchestras—from the discipline and dedication behind orchestral excellence to the humor, humility, and humanity that keep music-making joyful. Along the way, he reflects on practice, preparation, and the often-unsung role of the tuba in shaping the sound and soul of an ensemble.What you’ll hear in this episode:Steve’s path to the Minnesota OrchestraThe realities of orchestral life and long-term musicianshipLessons learned from decades of performing at the highest levelAdvice for young musicians dreaming of orchestral careersStories from the stage that are thoughtful, funny, and deeply musicalThis episode is a celebration of craft, curiosity, and commitment—and a reminder that every great ensemble is built on musicians who listen deeply and lead from wherever they sit.Tune in for wisdom, wit, and world-class musicianship—beyond artless.CREDITSReflections of the Mississippi  The Quad City Symphony Orchestra, Steve Campbell, tuba, and Mark Russell Smith, conductor, perform Michael Daugherty's Reflections of the Mississippi, mvts. 3 and 4, on Sunday, October 2, 2016, in Centennial Hall, Rock Island, IL. https://youtu.be/kinQB_ZLAHw?si=J4IRmAdRG_8AomOJMarsalis' Tuba Concerto The rarely spotlighted tuba takes center stage in a recent concerto by the eminent composer, jazz trumpeter and bandleader Wynton Marsalis—fusing traditions ranging from classical to bebop to boogaloo. Of note are a passage in which the soloist plays the tuba and sings simultaneously, and a blistering finale that nods to bebop saxophonist Charlie “Bird” Parker. https://youtu.be/a6OEDekFJlw?si=_Se-uGpe4-T1rV70 Conductor Jonathan Taylor Rush led Principal Tuba Steven Campbell with the Minnesota Orchestra in this performance on May 19, 2023.Esa-Pekka Salonen: Nyx  Esa-Pekka Salonen: Nyx (2010) Hannu Lintu, conductor Finnish Radio Symphony Orchestra Helsinki Music Centre, 25 January 2013 The FRSO recorded this piece in 2011 in Helsinki. This is the Finnish concert premiere. The world premiere was performed in Paris. https://youtu.be/jm4wlf7VkCk?si=iISqCM4VY4E45a8zTango Corazon, Hanna Lehtonen For Grade 2-3 Trombone and Grade 3 Band: https://www.leadingtonesmusic.com/sto...  https://youtu.be/CSd2iwsYKe0?si=_nYdHwVjL6DAf_ecREGISTER NOW:BUILDING BETTER BANDS DAY (MAY 23):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationRISING MUSIC EDUCATOR PROGRAM (MAY 22):https://www.btnmusicfestival.com/educationFREE MUSIC: Wisconsin Arts Celebration Project (Marie Douglas “Yellow Birds”)https://dpSupport the show

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