Finding Nature

Climate Apartheid - Beth Goldblatt On The Loss, Damage and Injustice Of The Status Quo

Beth Goldblatt is today’s guest. Beth is a Professor in the Faculty of Law at the University of Technology Sydney where her research and teaching sits at the intersection of feminist legal theory, equality, discrimination law and human rights. In recent years her work has become increasingly oriented towards how climate change impinges on social security and equality, and what role laws currently could play in remediating some of these harms. Beyond that though, and a large part of why I wanted to speak with Beth, was her work on how our current regulatory and legislative frameworks are inadequate to deal with how climate change has and will continue to drive loss and damage into the lives of those already structurally vulnerable to shocks and stresses, and those least responsible for this crisis in the first time. Beth outlines that we not only need new laws, but new ways of understanding law itself.In my darkest existential moments I put my last remaining eggs of hope in the law bucket. Yes - a sweeping legislative and regulatory reform process will do it. Once that happens, everything will finally fall into place. Facts will no longer be able to be ignored or dismissed, BAU and reality-avoidant executives have to make changes. So much of this chat is Beth reminding me about not only the likelihood of that magic wand solution but also that this type of change is based on the people we elect. I’m reminded - again - that change, and with it, power, lies in the hands of those who show up. For our laws to change, we need to elect different types of politicians. For different types of politicians to be elected, we need to support those types of people in our communities. To support those types of people in our communities we need to spend time finding them, helping them, supporting them. It’s mundane, seemingly pretty boring on paper and also a gambit that it’d even work - but it’s not only possible but is increasingly the last meaningful option. So I do believe the law is what’s most vital in the coming decade of climate action, but that requires new social norms and behaviours from people like you and I.Regenerative equality, the reconceptualisation of law, a quest for equality through the law - they’re possible, but take work, effort, time and showing up. As Beth explains in this episode, her experience growing up in apartheid South Africa was fundamental in shaping her understanding of justice, of taking a stand, and knowing that by doing that with others, radical, unimaginable change is possible.Beth Goldblatt opened my eyes and mind to new frames and perspectives I’ve been oblivious to over the last 25 years. I hope this chat has the same effect on you.Head to Reposit Power for $500 off your solar and battery installation. Send me a messageThanks for listening. Follow Finding Nature on Instagram

Putting Responsibility Into Corporate Responsibility - Gerbrand Havercamp and Pauliina Murphy On The Myths of Trickle Down Sustainability

Gerbrand Haverkamp and Pauliina Murphy from the World Benchmarking Alliance join the show today. The WBA exists to assess, test and make transparent the performance of the world’s 2,000 most influential and important companies. In a neoliberal capitalist economic system, business have been and remain one of if not the most significant actors if our human civilisation is going to reverse ecological calamity, social inequities and governance failures. Famed Harvard Business School Professor Michael Porter, the co-creator of the notion of creating shared value, calls businesses the engine of change, and if that is indeed the case, they might need some new and different engines. But that’s why the WBA’s work is important. They shine a spotlight on the truth of these companies performance - not to look at what they say they’d do, but what they’re actually doing. And entirely unsurprisingly, it’s mostly grim and painful reading.Gerbrand and Pauliina were recently in Australia as part of a trip to present and share the results of an Australian-only benchmark they recently completed. 32 companies sit on that and the insights and takeaways are interesting, but again, not too surprising. No-one is a laggard, yet no-one is a leader. I was compelled by some work the WBA had published a couple of years ago called Corporate Accountability: Closing the Gap in Sustainable Development and reading it was a series of insights that I think explains why corporates here and abroad have not done the necessary heavy lifting to conserve and preserve ecosystems, communities and democracies. Seven succinct realities pick apart the delusion of corporate accountability in its current form - where responsibilities are not defined, actual performance remains hidden or obfuscated most of the time, while the consequences of either insufficient or poor action are not substantive enough to drive any change.We get through a lot of ground in this conversation - from this cycle of accountability to the mission of the WBA, the necessity to not just highlight best practice but reverse benchmark and platform the laggards, as well as transition of the sustainability sector from the feel good and pseudo innovation team of a decade ago to a mainstay of corporates, and accept the necessity of compliance, legal and risk management on a day to day basis.Support for today's episode comes from Reposit Power. Get $500 off your system. Subscribe, rate & share. Ep.111Send me a messageThanks for listening. Follow Finding Nature on Instagram

Transforming Capital - William Burckart And The Necessity For Systems-Level Investing

William Burckart is today’s guest. Bill was recently in Sydney from New York where his list of credentials, accomplishments and titles is impressive - he’s the CEO of The Investment Integration Project, co-founder of Colourful Capital, an adjunct Professor of International and Public Affairs and the Brandmyere Fellow for Impact and Sustainable Investing at Colombia University, he’s published a couple of really informative books, the most recent being ‘The Handbook of System-level Investing: How Experts Worth Trillions of Dollars are Rethinking Investing.’ As well as all of that his writing has featured in The Guardian, Forbes and the Stanford Social Innovation Review.That’s a long but necessary way of saying that in the realm of systems-level investing, there are few anywhere in the world who are both as technically astute and practically experienced as Bill. What is systems-level investing you ask? Systems-level investing - as I’ve understood from reading Bill’s books, this chat and our supper club together is when financiers - be they banks, be they investors - deliberately elevate themselves above a conventional approach to asset and client focussed lending and financing and seek to use their funds as well as their influence and other assets to address issues that create systems-level risks for any and all of their more conventional activities. Think about it like this - how successful will one investment in a farmer be if the underlying volatility in crop and yield output worsens without also investing in rapid decarbonisation and broader adaptation measures? What good is funding one resilient home in a flood prone area if the majority of the rest in that area aren’t and you see localised market risk and asset depreciation? Systems-level investing is about re-framing how finance takes account of reality and the risks problems like climate change, disinformation, inequality, ocean acidification and many more and doing what the financial services industry is supposed to do anyway - appropriately price these to send market signals and drive new types of behaviours, actions and outcomes.It’s not straight forward stuff, and many in this community lament either the unwillingness or the inability for just about all financial institutions of every size and form to do this. In this chat we get into the what some of the tangible and intangible barriers are, the limitations of sustainable and responsible investing, how to better understand the tools of systems-level investing whether you’re in finance or not, advanced user or total beginner. Much is required of many of us at this moment - and understanding how finance can and must play a role is a critical component of shifting economies and cultural norms regarding practices in the real economy. This episode isn’t just for the finance bros though, you don’t need to don a puffer vest and be sitting in Ryan’s Bar to take insights and wisdom from Bill - this is applicable to all of us who are in the game of capital. And frankly, that’s everyone, whether you like it or not.Today's episode is delivered with Reposit Power. Get $500 off your solar battery installation here. Send me a messageThanks for listening. Follow Finding Nature on Instagram

Surrendering Attachment and Lessons from His Holiness The Dalai Lama - Geshe Lhakdor on What Ancient Spirituality Teaches Us About This Moment

Today’s guest was the person I needed to speak with - Geshe Lhakdor. Geshe is a Tibetan Buddhist monk who fled his homeland of Tibet when he was six years old and has committed his life to spirituality, Buddhism and service. Geshe served His Holiness the Dalai Lama as his English translator and religious assistant from 1989 until 2005, and has co-translated and co-produced several books by the Dalai Lama. As Director of the Library of Tibetan Works and Archives in Dharamsala, Geshe facilitates the Science for Monks program and shares his own expertise as a scholar of science and philosophy. Geshe is also trustee of the Foundation for Universal Responsibility, established by His Holiness.I am very thankful to former pod guest Nadya Hutagalung for making possible this extraordinary experience as part of Geshe’s recent trip to Australia. Coincidentally meeting just five meetings from my place, spending time with him was a gift. When so much feels out of control - whether that’s global affairs through to what we can actually manage and influence on a day to day basis - spending this time with Geshe reminded me so much of the ills our world faces are the result of what he describes as the polluted mind. Fear, self centredness, greed, contempt - we all know where that leads us. I know I can’t help it myself sometimes - I want to hold a grudge, I want revenge when I feel crossed, I’d love to get exactly what I want in the maximum dosage as quickly as possible and for the least amount of effort. That’s not a recipe for living in harmony and with reciprocity with others though.Geshe Lhakdor reminded me of what works - progress over perfection, having the wisdom to know the difference between what I can and can’t control, to be as compassionate and loving as I possibly can be. It all sounds trite and soft and woo woo, but we know it intuitively. We want to belong, we want to feel connected, we want to feel safe. In this conversation we talk about the dangers of every form of attachment, the potential for liberation, what spirituality is and what ancient teachings offer us as a poignant reminders for living today.With this episode I need to offer a slight audio warning - the mysterious fizzing and splattering of the recording equipment appeared when I listened back. I’ve removed as much of it as possible while maintaining the majority of the episode, but I apologise for any listener discomfort as you go. I was really bummed to hear it myself, and as with every time this seems to suddenly occur without warning, I’ll be running a bunch of audio tests to rectify.It always sounds so simple to adopt and live by a set of spiritual principles found across all the major religions in the world. Doing it - and doing it consistently and regularly - isn’t so easy. Geshe Lhakdor is a reminder to do it today and to worry about tomorrow tomorrow.Send me a messageThanks for listening. Follow Finding Nature on Instagram

Don't Look Down - Emma Camp On The State and Future of Reefs

Today’s guest is Dr Emma Camp, a marine biologist who’s pioneering research into the resilience of coral reefs and their restoration. The awards and recognitions she’s already received are longer than my arm - A National Geographic Explorer, appointed a Young Leader for the UN Sustainable Development Goals and the World Economic Forum, A Time Magazine Next Generation Leader, and many more. All of the awards, the appointments and the recognitions are because of the work she has dedicated herself to in seeking to better understand reefs, the potential of preservation that could be possible by discovering and better understanding varieties of coral that may have a higher tolerance to climate change, and the way she has been able to generate interest and funding globally as part of the mission of many to save one of this planet’s most unique, precious and vulnerable ecosystems.I wanted to speak with Emma to get under the hood of what is occurring for coral and on reefs around the world due to climate change. That seemingly straight forward question resulted in this conversation which became a masterclass in coral, reef science and revealed the multitude and colliding threats humans are imposing on an underwater landscape now under serious threat and seemingly on a path to oblivion, taking the lives and livelihoods of billions of human and non-human species with them. Speaking with those working on the frontlines of climate change is always painful. The grief associated with what’s already been lost and the knowledge of what is still to disappear is evident with Emma. Above the grief though is someone of immense passion, curiosity, intellect and determination. Better than collapsing into the awfulness of species decline and ecosystem degradation, Emma models what we must all do - act.We cover plenty of ground in this chat. From a coral science 101 to begin, into the state of reefs globally and how to understand the often binary assessment of reef health, to the complexities and connectedness of the threats faced, the role and value of reefs to the planet, her research into the misfits and mutants of the coral world, the effort to preserve them and the difficulty of balancing bad news against the need to keep working.In this chat, we reference Don’t Look Up - maybe in the case of reefs, don’t look down. Support for the show comes from:Reposit Power - get $500 off your installationSend me a messageThanks for listening. Follow Finding Nature on Instagram