The Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice

Finding Joy in the Serious Work of Podcasting - EP 100

How can reflecting on your podcast journey spark delight in your success? The process of podcasting is serious business. You have to be laser-focused on all the pieces of the spiral—from brainstorming topics to marketing the published episode to starting the next one—and sometimes the subject matter gets dark, especially in the daunting uncertainty of our modern world. But at the end of the day, if you don’t enjoy what you’re creating, the overwhelm that will come up eventually is going to keep you from coming back. That’s why Mary is dedicating her 100th episode (woo-hoo!) to reflecting on the genuine joy of podcasting and inspiring you to do the same. It’s time, once again, to check in with that big, overarching Why. Turn up the gratitude for all the opportunities your show has afforded you, the connections you’ve cultivated, and the support of the people who listen in. Let this episode be your reminder to take the time—look back, laugh out loud, and bask a bit in the joy of your creation. Consider the journey so far with storytelling and reflection prompts: Where to look for joy when you’re tempted to back-burner your show The benefits and unexpected bonus points of having a podcast A guided walk down memory lane to see how far you’ve come Links worth mentioning from the episode: Episode 69, Intangible Values of a Podcast: What It Means For Stats, Metrics, and Monetization:  https://www.organizedsound.ca/intangible-values-of-a-podcast-what-it-means-for-stats-metrics-and-monetization-episode-69 Episode 95, Generative AI: Understanding the Future of Podcasting with Amanda Cupido: https://www.organizedsound.ca/generative-ai-understanding-the-future-of-podcasting-with-amanda-cupido-episode-95/ Connect with Mary! Leave a voice note with your feedback at https://www.speakpipe.com/VisibleVoice or email visiblevoicepodcast@gmail.com Get the full transcript of the episode at http://www.visiblevoicepodcast.com Read up on more secrets with the Visible Voice Insights Newsletter https://www.organizedsound.ca/newsletter To learn more or work with Mary, check out https://www.organizedsound.ca Link up on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/marychan-organizedsound/ Engage on Instagram @OrganizedSoundProductions https://www.instagram.com/organizedsoundproductions Show Credits: Podcast audio design, engineering, and editing by Mary Chan of Organized Sound Productions Show notes written by Shannon Kirk of Right Words Studio Post-production support by Kristalee Forre of Forre You VA Podcast cover art by Emily Johnston of Artio Design Co. Transcript with Audio Description: [MUSIC IN - GHOSTHOOD FEATURING SARA AZRIEL “LET’S GO” BEGINS] MARY: Podcasting is serious work. Sure, most of the time we're just having a conversation with someone or hearing stories, and yet when it comes to the making of podcasts, you know, the tasks that take you from an idea to actually publishing the episode, right, the recording, the editing, and then the promoting when it's all done, it's not always rainbows and unicorns.  And even in some cases where podcasts are talking about very serious topics, I've worked on episodes that talk about food insecurity, war torn countries, child abuse, trauma, relationship issues, there still can be joy, when you're talking about serious issues and creating your show. The light and the joy that actually comes from sometimes being in these really dark spaces can brighten even more. I mean, to the lack of a whole cliche thing, you really need to be in the dark and to be in that seriousness, to really enjoy and know what it means to be appreciative of being in that light.  So, podcasting is serious work. But like I always say, podcasting is meant to be fun. So as we celebrate 100 episodes of this very show, I want us both to reflect on how much work podcasting really is. Through the struggle to complete and publish episodes. That struggle is real, and yet how there's actually so much joy that it can bring. Podcasting is serious work, yes, but it's also fun.  So, this is episode number 100, oh yeah! On the Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice.  > Here we are, episode number 100. This is where you throw that, bah bah bah bah [HORN NOISE MADE WITH VOICE], celebrating horns confetti, right?  [MUSIC ENDS] I don't know. I'm not usually that type of a person. And numbers are just numbers. I mean, yes, 100 is a milestone, but I decided for this episode that I just want to be very grateful. Grateful that I've created this many episodes for this particular show, but that you are here with me today and finding a bit of joy in whatever you've been up to so far and also by choosing to listen to this episode. So, first of all, thank you. Thank you for being here.  [MUSIC IN] As I said on the top of the show, creating a podcast is not easy. And if you have a detailed checklist like I do, you can also see how much work it actually takes to get from idea to publish and even more work after that with the premiering and then planning for the next episode. It's a never ending spiral of stuff to do. One of the things I wanted to focus on for this episode was actually reflecting back on our whys. Why? Why are we doing this? So if you're not familiar. You'll always hear me talk about your why. That's the point of your podcast. Why do you want to create one? Because, like I said, it's a lot of work, so you have to know why it should exist in your world. It's not a matter of if, but when you'll be overwhelmed or when you'll be burnt out. So knowing your why will bring you back to your joy and the joy of creating a podcast.  [MUSIC ENDS] I actually had this very conversation with a potential podcaster the other day. I was asking them about their goals for the podcast, and usually this is where I figure out if we're in alignment in how they think, what they want their podcast to do, and if I'm a good partner for that. And they talked about how they wanted to build a community, and I'm like, yep, bang on. Okay, this is it. It's not going to be about the numbers, right? It's not going to be about growing your listenership, which comes with it anyway, but, she wanted to build a community.  But the thing was, she works in the beauty industry, and usually all the beauty stuff, it's your typical physical side of things, right? Looking perfect. So all those stereotypes of the beauty industry, she wanted to showcase how the work she does is actually outside of all these stereotypes. What she does is really transformational and also restorative because it's about the confidence, the confidence within. I know, it's such a cliche, right? And in this case, it does kind of work, because her work can also deal with cancer patients losing their hair and the struggle of not only dealing with the cancer diagnosis, but then also the journey of going through all the therapies and all of that. But in amongst that, all beauty comes into play, right? What happens when you no longer have hair and you lose that part of you? So, long story short, it's not about the beauty. So her podcast isn't really about that either. She has another why for her podcast and the work she does.  [MUSIC IN] As for myself, I've had these moments of overwhelm, too. You know, we're celebrating episode 100, so I'm walking down that memory lane, and I'm always glad that I have my breaks to set up what I do for this podcast and the joy it brings. So I know this is my last episode before my summer break. That was the plan. And actually it just lucked out that it was episode 100. That was all serendipity right there. I can't wait to do all the summer adventures that we have lined up as a family.  But to reflect on the past 100 episodes, I've had a very busy first part of the year this year with work, new clients, lots of podcasts to listen to. There was voice coaching clients as well. And then also now setting up for the remainder of my year having some speaking gigs. And there's lots of personal things too, right? Like, work and personal stuff intertwines. You can't really separate the two. So I was caring for my mom. I was away from home and my family for a bit, but then also coming back and being with my kiddo with her very first events, like her first track meet, and for me to volunteer with her. I was so grateful to be able to do that.  So with all of these responsibilities, there was always time to put the podcast on the back burner, right? You don't have to create the podcast in all the things that you have to do, podcasting isn't high on that priority list that I was just talking about. But I want to keep it going because in knowing my joy and my why, it's because A, I know it's going to grow my business, right? It's a long term marketing plan. And B, it's just really fun to do. And again, I only do things if it's fun, right? So if it stops being fun, I'm going to stop doing it. So we need to take a look at this reflection and to find our joy in podcasting.  [MUSIC ENDS] In creating a podcast, not just for me, but I see this in the clients that I work with too. We get to use our podcast platform to also work things out that I've been chatting with, you know, the people in my lives, whether that is my clients, or maybe it's my clients chatting with their clients. So it really is, we are chatting with our listeners, right? We're trying to figure out what their challenges are so that on the podcast we can actually work out some of these strategies and tips or even playing through the ideas I have for an upcoming talk or workshop that I'll be facilitating. This can all be done through episodes of your podcast.  And then there's also, if you have interviews, connecting with a larger community in podcasting and hearing from others, right? I interview other podcasters, so I'm creating that network and really getting a new perspective from other people. And then another reason that my podcast exists is that I get to share very specific episodes with people who might need that support for a specific topic, right? Like I've had a client who's like, I don't know if I should be doing this or that. And honestly, she's so busy she doesn't listen to every single episode of my podcast, right? Even though she's my client. So I was like, hey, listen to this episode. It's a solo, it's short, it's got some prompt questions for you. And you know what, it worked for her. So, I love that they get to come back with this gratitude on what they learned and what they'll implement. So the podcast for me is more about connecting with my listener on a different level.  And outside of my work, my business personally. They also solidify friendships in my personal world who say they listen to some episodes and actually learn more about themselves and their voice. Which was really surprising to me because I don't ever expect any of my friends or family to listen to my episodes. Yes, they're out in the public. Yes, anybody can get them. But I don't know, I was like, if it's, I didn't make it for them, right? You have your ideal listener, and my friends and family were not my ideal listeners. So it's just bonus points that they listen to it and they actually tell me that they like it and they tell me why. So I know that they've actually listened to it because they'll mention something about the episode, right? So, that's just bonus points right there. So all in all to say that podcasting can, yeah, take up a lot of time, but that time is worth it because it goes beyond the podcast itself or your business, if you have one attached.  [MUSIC IN] So what I want to do today with episode 100 to celebrate is that reflection piece. I've got some journal prompts for you if you are a journaling type like I am. Just walk through a few questions. And if you aren't a journaling type, let's just reflect quickly. You can just jot some notes down if you want to or not. But I just want you to start contemplating on some of these questions to help reflect and integrate the work that you do to make your podcast a success, whatever you define as success. Alright, so here are my five questions to contemplate and journal on to really solidify what you've done with your podcast success so far.  One. What is your first memory when you were surprised someone mentioned your podcast? You know, it could be what I was mentioning before, where one of my friends, she listened to it and learned a lot, even though she works in forensics with the police department. Far from what my ideal listener is, but she listened and she is still always a highlight for me as that first memory and really surprised to hear that she listens to the podcast. It could also be like when I get discovery calls with potential clients and they say they listened to the most recent episode and love XYZ about it. And I was like, yes, that’s exactly one of the reasons why I have the podcast. It's working. Yes. So for you, think about that first memory, what comes to mind? So make note of that.  Two. What was recent and recent could be last week, monthly, or even the last year or two, depending on how many episodes you release in a year. What was some recent positive feedback you received? This could be tied to the first question and probably be the same answer, but I challenge you to think of a different scenario. Feedback, of course, doesn't have to mean a review that you got online. It could be a private message, it could be from someone you know. It could be a dm, maybe an email you got, or maybe a comment from a group that you're in. Or maybe you just had a coffee or tea with someone and they mentioned it to you in person. You know, real people in the moment, all novel these days, right? Real life people feedback. So take those all into consideration and figure out what was the most recent positive feedback that you received? Three. What have you done to celebrate your success? And I highlight the word celebrate because, I know I am not one to celebrate. And I tend to go from task to task without recognizing all the hard work that goes into the projects, right? Sometimes it's like, yay, I did it. And then you move on and you do the next task. So yay, I did it. But in this question, it's time to do something. And for me, what I'm going to do is during my vacation next week, I'm going to make sure I buy myself, I might give my family, my daughter, especially a bite, a slice of cake from a local bakery. Now, I'm calling this a celebration because it's something I normally don't do, right? So a celebration is something that is outside your comfort zone.  I normally don't buy cake at a bakery and I'm not talking about like grocery store bakery. I'm like a bakery bakery. Okay. We love baking in our house. So we like to bake non fancy cake, usually a single layer, no frosting, lots of yumminess. So my version of that for celebrating is to take that cake idea but bring in that celebrating layer by one, by one, buying cake from a real like, bakery, bakery. And two, making sure it's a fancy looking one, right? Probably more than one layer. See, it doesn't have to be complicated to celebrate, but it's about that intentional choice that you make. So what have you done to celebrate your success?  Number four, we are talking about those intentional choices. What decision did you recently make about your podcast again? Recently can mean last week or even last year or two. That was a game changer. It could be something as simple as I stopped posting on social media and focused on my newsletter. Or something even bigger, like I revamped my whole branding and recreated all my intros and outros and audio assets. Remember, I'm not judging you here. Whatever works for you to make your show more simplified and fulfilling and, yes, fun for you to create, right? It doesn't matter what that is. What was that intentional choice that you made?  I had a client once say to me, it was as simple as just hiring you. I'm like, I love that. Yes, I can make things simpler for you. Creating that blueprint, doing the editing, it doesn't matter. It could also just be, you know, having someone on your team to help you out with your process, right? So whatever works for your capacity to make this podcast experience more joyful and fun. So what was that intentional decision you made that you love?  And finally, question number five of all the episodes that you created, and if you have way too many to narrow down, maybe the episodes you just created within this past year, or if you do a series, maybe just this last series that you did, which one really lit you up? Like, the one that lights you up the most thinking about it right now. It could be because it was so easy to edit, or that it was so personal for you, or that you just got so much feedback that you plan to make more episodes around that topic. Really, it could be anything, right? What was it that lit you up about that episode and brings you joy?  [MUSIC ENDS] So that's my little walk down memory lane I wanted to do with you. I know we get so busy creating each and every episode, so especially if you have a weekly show, that overwhelm comes in, right? But we need to take that step back because if you just keep churning out the episodes, it almost seems like it's never ending. So thank you so much for taking the time with me today to reflect on the work that you've done with your podcast. These reflections really bring out the joy in the work that we do in podcasting, and it also helps you to keep going. It's a little incentive to dream a little bigger, to wonder when, not if, you'll feel those reactions again for the future episodes that you create.  To remember that podcasting is fun, even if you touch on very simple, serious subjects. It's not about the subject matter, but how you present it. So, yeah, you can be very, very serious, but we can also bring the light and the joy. And through that process, you'll be able to speak with spirit, as I always say, and then create the feeling that you want your listener to feel.  And since this actually is the last episode before my summer break, as I said, as part of question number five, I did review my last few episodes. So the series I did from the beginning of this year in 2025 until now, episodes 90 through 99, nine episodes to review. And the one that really stuck out in my mind, like that first thing that you look through it and you're like, ooh, that one. Episode 95 with Amanda Cupido, it really brought me a lot of joy because she brought me out of my comfort zone. You know, I was into this, AI is scary feeling. What is it going to do? But we really are in a time and place where companies are gathering a lot of information to train these AI platforms.  And her idea that using AI to train voices that are more like you and me. So use AI. Use it so they can train from your voice, your perspective, and not like the stereotypes and all the patriarchal stuff that we already see in our everyday, but more reflective of the greater population, right? Of everybody else that has a voice. So I was sharing this with a client as well, and she was also like, wow, I never even thought about it that way. You're right. The conversations I have are the conversations that AI needs to know about, that AI needs to be trained on, because they are more intentional, they are more loving and with care, and that is something we need more in the world. So Amanda really not only changed my perspective, but hopefully your perspective as well when you listen to the episode.  So, I love that episode because of that, but also a personal joy as well. Like I said, you can't really separate the two. The work and the personal stuff. Amanda is just such a nice person. She also sent a book to my daughter, you know, it's the kids version of her Let's Talk Podcasting book. And she got a glimpse, more of a glimpse into what I do for a living. So I love that she will always remind me about the joy that she brought to my daughter.  [MUSIC IN] So that's it for this episode. Thank you again for celebrating episode 100 with me. Send me your notes from those five reflection questions. I would love to hear them. I want to celebrate together with you. So send me a voice note as usual, go to my website, VisibleVoicePodcast.com you got the Send Voicemail purple button, click on that and share your voice and speak with Spirit. Email always works as well too. VisibleVoicePodcast@gmail.com and we'll get ready for episode 101 after I take my summer break, right? I don't have any plans yet for the rest of the year. I don't know what I'm going to be talking about when I come back in September, but that's why I have the summer. I am going to be figuring that out. I already have some, some things that I'm working with.  But you know, on that note about sharing your voice, send me a separate voice note on that too. What do you want to know? It could be something personal about me. It could be about my podcasting process. Tech stuff, mics, recordings, voice stuff, anything. Let me know what you want to hear on the show. So yeah, voice note, send me an email. All those links will be in the show notes. So have a lovely summer break from me. Or if you are in the Southern hemisphere, have a lovely winter break and I'll talk to you again in September.  [MUSIC ENDS] > MARY: Thank you so much for listening to the Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice. If you enjoyed this episode, I'd love it if you’d share it with a podcasting friend. And to reveal more voicing and podcasting tips, click on over to VisibleVoicePodcast.com. Until next time. > [MUSIC ENDS]

Canadian Identity in the Indie Podcasting Ecosystem with Kattie Laur - EP 99

What differentiates Canadian podcasters from their American counterparts, eh? If you think about the first podcast that comes to mind, there’s a pretty good chance it’s American. That’s because podcasting tends to feel—and in many ways actually is—pretty U.S.-centric. But that certainly doesn’t mean there aren’t a ton of fantastic, groundbreaking Canadian podcasters in the industry. From the struggle to identify Canada-specific resources to the future of marketing metrics, join Mary for a must-listen episode for every podcaster seeking to set their show apart. Listen to fellow Canuck Kattie Laur as they dig into all things Canadiana and pods. Kattie is an award-winning podcast producer and the editor of Pod the North, a popular newsletter that keeps subscribers in the know about everything happening in our country’s podcast ecosystem. Kattie takes a refreshingly optimistic perspective on creating and marketing shows in Canada. She and Mary explore the unique Canadian culture built around celebrating difference and how traits like this truly set them apart from American showmakers. Make your podcast stand out, in Canada and beyond. Find out: What makes Canadian podcasters unique Why it’s so hard to make a living as a podcast creator in this country How to share the Canadian perspective in our podcasts without overdoing it How to facilitate community interaction as an indie podcaster Links worth mentioning from the episode: Bumper: “Spotify Plays are One More Nail in the Download’s Coffin” - https://wearebumper.com/blog/spotify-plays-are-one-more-nail-in-the-downloads-coffin Hear more about the podcast monetizing landscape in Episode 97, Embrace Curiosity to Grow a Vibrant Podcast Community with Chidinma Azubuike - https://www.organizedsound.ca/embrace-curiosity-to-grow-a-vibrant-podcast-community-with-chidinma-azubuike-episode-97/ Meet Mary at PodSummit YYC 2025 - https://www.podsummit.com/speakers25 Engage with Kattie: Learn more about her projects and services - https://www.kattielaur.com/ Listen to the Canardian podcast - https://www.kattielaur.com/canardian Subscribe to the Pod the North newsletter - https://podthenorth.substack.com/ Connect with Mary! Leave a voice note with your feedback at https://www.speakpipe.com/VisibleVoice or email visiblevoicepodcast@gmail.com Get the full transcript of the episode at http://www.visiblevoicepodcast.com Read up on more secrets with the Visible Voice Insights Newsletter https://www.organizedsound.ca/newsletter To learn more or work with Mary, check out https://www.organizedsound.ca Link up on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/marychan-organizedsound/ Engage on Instagram @OrganizedSoundProductions https://www.instagram.com/organizedsoundproductions Show Credits: Podcast audio design, engineering, and editing by Mary Chan of Organized Sound Productions Show notes written by Shannon Kirk of Right Words Studio Post-production support by Kristalee Forre of Forre You VA Podcast cover art by Emily Johnston of Artio Design Co. Transcript with Audio Description:

Improve Your Interviews With Open-Ended Questions - EP 98

What kinds of questions do you ask your podcast guests? The most engaging podcast episodes—the ones that make for the best conversations and the best listening—are the ones that contain great stories. As the host, you’re always aiming to draw all those details and deep disclosures from your guest. So why does getting the full picture sometimes feel like pulling teeth? Mary recently taught her nine-year-old daughter how asking more specific questions will get her the answers she wants, and that conversation prompted this episode’s exploration. An open-ended question—the kind that requires a more thorough answer than “yes,” “no,” or some other short word or phrase—is always going to elicit a stronger response. In return, you as the host don’t have to work as hard; your guest’s fascinating story, the whole reason they’re chatting with you, stands a much better chance of tumbling out of them with the passion every podcaster  (and podcast listener) is looking for. Ask yourself these impactful interview-question questions: What are the best W5 question prompts to ask in your interview? How can you utilize storytelling statements to deliver more engaging episodes? What should you look for in past episodes to start asking better questions in the future? Links worth mentioning from the episode: Episode 32, “Bad Interviewing Habits” - https://www.organizedsound.ca/bad-interviewing-habits-episode-32/ Connect with Mary! Leave a voice note with your feedback at https://www.speakpipe.com/VisibleVoice or email visiblevoicepodcast@gmail.com Get the full transcript of the episode at http://www.visiblevoicepodcast.com Read up on more secrets with the Visible Voice Insights Newsletter https://www.organizedsound.ca/newsletter To learn more or work with Mary, check out https://www.organizedsound.ca Link up on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/marychan-organizedsound/ Engage on Instagram @OrganizedSoundProductions https://www.instagram.com/organizedsoundproductions Show Credits: Podcast audio design, engineering, and editing by Mary Chan of Organized Sound Productions Show notes written by Shannon Kirk of Right Words Studio Post-production support by Kristalee Forre of Forre You VA Podcast cover art by Emily Johnston of Artio Design Co. Transcript with Audio Description: [MUSIC IN - GHOSTHOOD FEATURING SARA AZRIEL “LET’S GO” BEGINS] MARY: How do you ask questions? I guess specifically on your podcast, maybe when you do interviews, how are those questions being asked? I know it's still quite a broad question, but have you ever gone back to your episodes, listen to them again to review how you have been asking questions? And if you want to get even more specific, I'm actually talking about open ended questions versus close ended questions.  So today I'm going to explore those types of questions with you and show you how open ended questions can make your interviews and your podcast more enjoyable. Not just for you as a host, but maybe as a guest as well if you're on someone else's show, but more importantly for your listener.  This episode actually stemmed from my conversation with my daughter. So, you know, lots of real life experience can come onto the podcast as well. And this idea of what it's like to pull stories from someone by asking them the different types of questions. So, how does your curiosity with these open ended questions play a significant role in your interviews? So there you go. The next generation of podcasters, through my daughter, is already teaching me about something that I can share with you on this very podcast.  This is episode number 98 on the Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice.  > MARY: Hey, welcome to the show. And yeah, things in real life this happens in radio all the time. It's just called show prep. [MUSIC ENDS] What's happening in your life as you go about your day that can help impact what you do on air. So in this case behind the mic on your podcast. And there are some real life situations that go on in my life that go behind the scenes on this podcast which you might not always know about, but this one I'm gonna share very much all the details of how I realized that this conversation that I had with my daughter is, I'm going to translate here on this episode today about open ended questions for you to ask during an interview with your guest.  And in fact I talked a lot about bad interviewing habits actually, that was episode 32 if you have not listened to that one. So definitely go back to that episode. It is a great companion to this one. Lots of details there on episode 32, bad interviewing habits. But briefly for this episode, a close ended question essentially closes the conversation very quickly. This type of question will either get a yes or no type of answer and if you don't want to elaborate more, you don't have to. It's really quite the conversation killer. But I know, when people come on a podcast, they're actually here to share stories. So even if you do ask those close ended questions, they will elaborate a bit more. However, it will be more enjoyable if you have open ended questions.  But back to the close ended questions. As an example, do you like chocolate? It's going to be a yes or no answer. Yep, chocolate's good. Or maybe a little bit more expanded, right? You don't have to go into details but you're like, maybe, it depends, I don't like milk chocolate, I like a dark chocolate. But then that's, that's really it until you come up with a follow up question. And there's a lot more interview techniques to go into this. However, if you start with an open ended question, you don't have to do as much of the hard work, you're already asking for more, all in that one question. So the guests can't just say yes or no. What kind of chocolate do you like? What are your favorite chocolate bars? Why is that your favorite chocolate bar, right? These type of questions are very specific and they can help the listener jog in their mind a story they want to share. And it makes your job just that much easier.  [MUSIC IN] So as I alluded at the start of the show, my nine year old daughter sparked this idea for the episode. And if you've got some young ones in your life, like most kids, you might know that they do ask a lot of questions. And most of these questions are close ended aside from the ones that always ask, but why, but why, but why? Those kids already are on the uh, open ended question train. However, my daughter does ask a lot of questions and not always the and why. Sometimes they are just emulating the adults in their lives, right? So for example, sometimes I'll say to her, did you have fun at school today? Or she doesn't always eat her lunch. So I'm like, did you finish eating your lunch today? Did you play with so and so, or who did you play with? And they'll just list off a bunch of names, right? So these are very much close ended questions and it gives a very short answer or one word answer.  So what parents or you as a podcaster, you know, what you want are actually stories, not short answers. In this audio format, you need the stories to shine. So for them to share in conversation, whether that is your guest, or your child, or a young one in your life. For them to share, and also so that it's not so hard getting those kids to talk to you, right? So like I said, this whole thing started when my daughter asked me actually about specifically working at a petting farm in my teens. Now think of my daughter in this story, in this scenario I'm going to share with you as the podcast host and me as the guest to help you relate. Okay?  So I'm going to share this little conversation that from my memory, what I remember she said, it kind of goes something like this. My daughter says to me, do you have any stories from when you worked at the petting farm? Yes, yes, I have lots. And then she'll say, okay, tell me. I'm like, oh, which one? As I guest I'm like, wow, I got so many. Which one do I pull from? I can't just think of a story off the top of my head. So I ask her, what are you actually curious about? What do you want to know? And she's like, did you do anything gross or did the animals do anything gross? I'm like, well, yeah, I scooped poop for a living when I worked at the petting farm.  And I kind of just ended it at that. I'm like, yeah, of course, of course there was lots of gross stuff. And I didn't really elaborate on that more either. So, she got a little frustrated with me. But do you see what's going on here? She wasn't getting any stories. She was wondering why she had to keep asking questions. She just wanted me to tell a story. But I was just answering her questions and her questions were close ended. I mean, I could have easily picked a story, right? I'm a storyteller. That's not hard for me to do. But I'm always of the mind about what does my listener actually want to hear or, or learn? How do they want to feel with the story that I share? And I kind of go through that with my daughter to show her, hey, if you ask those questions in a different way, you'll actually get the response that you want. So I taught her about being curious, being very specific, and the art of open ended questions.  [MUSIC ENDS] So if you actually listen back to that little story that I just shared, they were all close ended questions. They always started with did, did you this or did you that? Another version could be like do, do you this, do you that, right? They would be yes or no or very, very short answers. So I asked my daughter what type of stories was she actually hoping to hear and if she could re-ask the question starting with either a what, when, or why, or sometimes even how. This comes from my radio days where I learned about W5. Maybe this was even like English class days in high schools, probably, but it really was like a journalism thing. In radio, W5 stands for who, what, when, where and why, and I say and sometimes how. Because in the interview process, how is also very crucial.  However, in this scenario, in the interviews, I usually only like to pick three of the W5 because of the specificity of storytelling. I want to know more about the what, where and why so that you can paint a picture of the scene. Who usually just gets a one word answer, right? Like my previous question to my daughter, who did you play with today? And then she just lists off a couple names. So not very specific in terms of getting a story out of you. Back to my daughter's original follow up question. She wanted to know more about gross things and very specifically when I was like, what do you mean? Poop, of course, right? What 9 year old doesn't like talking about poop? So I asked her, okay, you want to know about poop when I worked at the petting farm. So I asked her to rephrase it with an open ended question using that W3 method. What, where, and why? Pick one of those three and ask me an open ended question.  So she thought about it for a second and then came back to me with something like she wanted to say, when did she. When did you get pooped on? But then she was like, well, you didn't say when, so what was the time that you got pooped on? Because I guess she was sure that I would have been pooped on working at the farm, right? But that question alone sparked a story in me. It was just like, like, bam, aha. I know, ooh. And I went off. But that's a totally different topic when discussion for another time. But if you want to know about how a turkey pooped on me, you'll just have to email me or leave me a voice note to find out that whole story. Okay?  But back to podcasting. The point is the very specific question that was asked got a much better, very specific story out of me and the passion out of me. When I was sharing that stor. It wasn't something that I was just going to regurgitate, but it was something that I was like, oh, oh, you're gonna love this one. And that's when you really get the energy and the engagement and the listener is gonna love that story and you as the host will love that story as well. So now my daughter is always asking me open ended questions or storytelling statements.  [MUSIC IN] Storytelling statements are something like tell me a time when, or paint a picture when, right? These statements are very direct and they're meant to tell and share a story. And so my dinner table these days with a nine year old are actually quite fun. She's always saying to me, tell me about and then blankety blank, fill in the blanks, right? Mostly it's, tell me about your day. And then we go around the table asking each other about their day. It's quite fun. We get to share stories and I get to practice my podcast interviewing skills without them even knowing it. And I get to actually hear about her day, which is a plus in the parenting world.  [MUSIC ENDS] So that really sums up the episode. What has your experience been when asking questions in an interview with your guests? I dare you to go back, maybe just to your most recent interview episode, review it, listen to it again, or also, this is where transcript can come in handy. When you look through that transcript, take a look at how you asked your questions. Are there patterns that you're seeing? What are they? What are those patterns? Are you using the same words you know, are you using the W5? Are you using the W3? Perhaps there is also a pattern in your guest answers. Are they usually answering with yes as their first words out of their mouth? I've heard a lot of interviews done that way where they always just say yes, yes, yes. And then they get on with their thing, but it's only because the interviewer had asked a close ended question.  So if you don't want your guests to also sound repetitive, always ask an open ended question. And you know what, with this episode, if nothing else, tell me about your day is what my daughter always asks me. Also works really well. If you need to test your microphone or recording levels with your guest, you know they're there, they just showed up to the recording studio room online and you can just ask them about their day to see if their mic is working and check their recording levels. So tell me about your day.  [MUSIC IN] So there you go. If you want, you can tell me about your day by dropping me an email at VisibleVoicePodcast@gmail.com or as always, a voice note would be lovely. I'd love to hear from you. Go to my website, VisibleVoicePodcast.com and there is a purple button that says send voicemail. You drop me a voice note there and don't forget that you can pull from that curiosity piece that I lightly touched on. When you're curious, the best follow up questions can come from, from that. And when you make them open ended questions, your conversations are really going to fly.  [MUSIC ENDS] So on the next episode. This is actually going to be my last guest episode of this series before my summer break. And it is of course leading up to Canada Day. Being Canadian, I'm going to bring on from the Pod the North newsletter, Kattie Laur. Pod the north is a great podcasting resource. So if you don't know about Kattie, she is hyper focused on Canadian content in podcasting, which is so rare in this space. Actually in the industry, when another Canadian sees another Canadian, well, at least for me, I always get surprised and delighted when I meet or see another Canadian podcaster. So I know we're all out there. But I think it's because we're so homogenized being North American that it feels like we get lumped into America as a whole. And at least it does for me because I grew up in Vancouver, being so close to Seattle, everything was very U.S. Centric. And the podcasting landscape is also very U.S. Centric, especially here in North America.  So, whenever I can highlight a fellow Canadian, I will do it. And since it is leading up to Canada Day, Kattie will share her experience not only with Pod the North, but also with her very Canadian podcast, Canardian, gossiping about Canadian hometowns. I love her show, actually. So we'll be talking about how being hyper niche works in podcasting and why Canadians should stand up proud to differentiate themselves in this media landscape. We'll chat with you then. > MARY: Thank you so much for listening to the Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice. If you enjoyed this episode, I'd love it if you’d share it with a podcasting friend. And to reveal more voicing and podcasting tips, click on over to VisibleVoicePodcast.com. Until next time. > [MUSIC ENDS]

Embrace Curiosity to Grow a Vibrant Podcast Community with Chidinma Azubuike - EP 97

How can curiosity and commitment to your listener drive your show’s growth? From guest selection to generating advertising revenue, the process of running your own podcast is always challenging and fascinating, and it often calls on you to take big chances. That’s exactly what Chidinma Azubuike discovered when she started “But What Do I Know?” back in 2020. Her willingness to keep trying new tactics has paid off—all while working toward her primary goal of fostering a vibrant and thriving listener community. In this episode, Mary sits down with Chidinma to talk show prep, rebrands, and the difference between American and Canadian ad partners. Discover some fresh ideas for building listener engagement on this passive medium and how to deliver an authentic community resource while also making money. Whether you’re just starting your podcast or have been working away for years, Chidinma’s perspective is sure to have you taking notes and making plans to take your show to the next level. Learn an exploratory approach to creating an award-winning podcast: How Chidinma turned to life experience to inspire her show When and how to tackle a rebrand Transforming listeners into a real community Making moves to monetize your podcast Links worth mentioning from the episode: Register for BWDIK’s virtual movie screening of “Village Keeper” - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdJ3oHnRoTAruUHjbsvMTncTv8UMuBPD1IdOJeEG28jhXjTzQ/viewform CBC, “The Golden Globes want to honour podcasting”: https://www.cbc.ca/arts/commotion/the-golden-globes-want-to-honour-podcasting-1.7532676 Engage with Chidinma Azubuike: Listen to the But What Do I Know podcast - https://www.bwdikpodcast.com/podcast Follow But What Do I Know on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bwdikpodcast/ Connect with Mary! Leave a voice note with your feedback at https://www.speakpipe.com/VisibleVoice or email visiblevoicepodcast@gmail.com Get the full transcript of the episode at http://www.visiblevoicepodcast.com Read up on more secrets with the Visible Voice Insights Newsletter https://www.organizedsound.ca/newsletter To learn more or work with Mary, check out https://www.organizedsound.ca Link up on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/marychan-organizedsound/ Engage on Instagram @OrganizedSoundProductions https://www.instagram.com/organizedsoundproductions Show Credits: Podcast audio design, engineering, and editing by Mary Chan of Organized Sound Productions Show notes written by Shannon Kirk of Right Words Studio Post-production support by Kristalee Forre of Forre You VA Podcast cover art by Emily Johnston of Artio Design Co. Transcript with Audio Description: [MUSIC IN - GHOSTHOOD FEATURING SARA AZRIEL “LET’S GO” BEGINS] MARY: When looking at new podcasts for something to listen to on your podcast player, sometimes one just stands out. For me, it was quite a few years ago when the title But What Do I Know grabbed my attention. It was nominated for a podcast award and it really resonated with me because, the imposter syndrome behind that question, my need for continual learning, and also learning from a fellow Canadian, which was rare at that time. When I saw the show, Canadian podcasts weren't really highlighted as Canadian, but really it was all about that imposter syndrome part. That little girl's uncertainty that I have that still lingers inside of me even as I am a 45 year old woman today. Right. Like all of this stuff comes up, and it came up through that one question, the title of her podcast.  So I added But What Do I Know? to my list, even though I didn't listen to it, not in the beginning at least, because I wasn't ready to face my inner struggles with that little girl that I was talking about, right? That struggle of, ooh, I actually have to look at this now. Nah. But I'll still save it on my podcast player because you just never know, right? And then I fast forward to last year, 2024, and the podcast was rebranded and it spoke to me even more. I was like, wait a minute, why did this rebrand happen? What's different? What's going on? And it piqued my curiosity.  So I was like, okay, leaning towards the curiosity versus, ooh, do I have to face my inner demons? And that was the change for me. And I decided to hit play because I realized, yeah, what do I know? Because I could learn from Chidinma Azubuike. Chidinma and I chat about her podcasting journey and what success looks like for her now. Because as we know, podcasting is a lot of work. So how does her curiosity and drive to build community work for her podcast today?  This is episode number 97 on the Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice. > MARY: Chidinma, thank you so much for joining me on the show, because when I saw the title of your show, But What Do I Know? I say that to myself all the time. It's like, but what do I know? What do I know? And I just really connected with you on that. And then the fact that we're both Canadian, like you, a lot of Canadian shows don't get highlighted as Canadian. So I'm really, really glad that you agreed to come on and chat with me today. CHIDINMA: Yes, no, thank you so much for having me, Mary. I really do appreciate it. And yes, But What Do I Know?, is the story of my life and the story of the phase of life that I'm currently in. And when I landed on that name for the podcast, I was like, this is so good. MARY: Yeah. Cause I mean, when I started my podcast production and consulting company, I had almost 20 years of radio background, but still I was doing the whole. But what do I know? It's podcasting, it's different, it's not radio. What can I do? What can I share? I don't know, I don't know. It's just, I kept saying that, so. Oh, uh, so connected with you over this. CHIDINMA: Yeah, like it just so represents just all the questioning. I think it's been a really good place for me to like all the questions about any aspect of life. Like my main pillars for the podcast are, you know, like finances, wellness, and relationships of all different types. So whenever, you know, whatever, I'm sort of thinking, I honestly think of my episodes based on that. Like, you know, I'm going through a period of like, questioning my finances. Then I'm like, oh, let's have a conversation about that. But what do I know about how to build up my savings, but what do I know about how to invest more and stuff like that? So, yeah. MARY: Oh yeah. So walk me through that process. You're like, okay, I'm having this trouble or challenge in my life. CHIDINMA: Yeah. MARY: What does that look like in terms of then building out a podcast episode and like figuring out who a guest to bring on and all of that? Walk me through the whole process. CHIDINMA: So it's really like curiosity driven, I guess, and what I usually do and now it's become, I guess a well oiled machine, if I do say so myself. And so what I'll do is at the beginning of every season, so in January. My seasons typically run from March to December. Now I have an editor on the team, so thankfully I won't have to take that two month break. We can cut it down to one month. But what I do is in January I will, you know, just sit, kind of reflect, journal a bit and think of the different topics that I want to cover for that season.  So, you know, and again, it's related to whatever I'm going through. It's related to life. It's related to something maybe my girlfriends are asking me about. Like right now, I had a little bit of like a pre-launch event with a couple of women and the common themes were hair. Especially for black women, it's hair and hair extensions, braid in hair. Can you get someone to talk about that? And I was like, okay, cool. Questions have been like hair care or balancing or how to build a sustainable creative business. Like, stuff like that are comments that I get. And of course people love conversations around relationships. Whether it's relationships, your family or, you know, dating is always going to pull people's attention.  So when I kind of brainstorm them, I also have sort of like, an admin coordinator slash social media coordinator as well. She helped me sort of brainstorm some ideas and helps me manage socials right now as well. So the team is growing, but yeah, so we'll make a list of topics and then we'll start searching up guests through either Google or socials are really good, especially TikTok and IG because they help me to get a gauge of the person's personality and character and if they'll be a good fit for the podcast. And so, you know, we'll search, we'll kind of do some tags. We'll search by like, if we're looking for, let's say like a business coach, we'll type in like, business coach. And my podcast is for women of colour primarily, so I'll type in, you know, business coach WOC, and IG is pretty great with all the tags and filters. I'll end up finding somebody that fits the profile.  And then once we find someone, it's now a matter of reaching out, pitching someone, sending that email that includes, you know, the stats for the podcast and generally what we're about. And then it's a couple of back and forths with the gap with the potential guest before we then lock in a date. And then closer to our recording day, I'll send instructions, important instructions, like, you need a wired headset, I'm not doing the Bluetooth…  MARY: Oh, gosh no. CHIDINMA: …anymore. Please don't show up, like, no, no, no, that's not acceptable. You know, like conversations, topics, things like that I used to do and I still do sometimes, like a pretty call before we record just to get to meet the guest and warm up a little bit. But sometimes if you're a repeat guest or if I kind of have a sense of who you are or you have a podcast yourself, we can kind of skip that phase. And then, yeah, and then we get to the time we record and then once we record, it's now on that post production end and market end. But yeah, that's, that's the process. MARY: You were saying that, you know, the team's growing. You have some people working with you too.  CHIDINMA: Yeah. MARY: But I'm sure like, like most people when they start this podcast like you started in 2020…  CHIDINMA: Mhmm, yeah.  MARY: …it was one woman show is my guess. CHIDINMA: Yeah, it was a. It was a one woman show. I had another person, she was a good friend of mine, went to school together. She's a great graphic designer. And so, we went to school for like, urban planning, urban design together. So she really tapped into her design for me. Okay. Yeah, she designed like, the initial iteration of the logo and she was also, she also created the COVID art. She wasn't a photographer, but she was at my rebrand photo shoot for cover of the podcast right now, cover art… MARY: Nice. CHIDINMA: …Yeah. So Haley is her name. She has been with me through like day one. But in terms of producing the podcast, it was just me. So I was doing the research, I was reaching out to guests, I was recording, I was producing, I was cutting reels, I was posting. And initially I chose podcasting because it's audio. Like a podcast is an audio format. But now, you know, people want to introduce video, people want to call video shows podcasts. MARY: Yes. CHIDINMA: They're not. Okay, let's just get that clear. MARY: It's a video show. CHIDINMA: It's a video show. But I understand that y' all want me to do videos so you can push my content. I get that, but I am not, I'm not the biggest fan of that. Like, I chose podcasting for a reason, because I didn't want to feel pressured about, you know, your image on camera and looking good all the time and presenting and performing in a certain way. It has definitely made it a little bit harder, but I'm grateful because now I can tap into an audience on YouTube right, as we start to grow that way. But yeah, yeah, it's definitely come a long way. Yeah. MARY: So why the rebrand, though? I know there was rebrand in the middle there.  CHIDINMA: Yeah. MARY: What was that deciding factor to make that happen? CHIDINMA: Mhm. The rebrand was in the beginning of 2024, last year. Yes. So the rebrand was because the initial cover art was not a cartoon, but it was like an animated cover art. Like it didn't have my face. Yeah, it was to represent me, but it didn't have my face. And I felt like, you know what, I've done this for three years. I'm on video now. I'm showing my face, I'm confident, and I wanted something that was a little bit more bold, more like fierce on the cover. And so I feel like the current cover really represents that. And I just look fire… MARY: Yeah, it looks great. CHIDINMA: …Right? But I felt like, yeah, I think it took time for me to kind of get, like, step into that. And so last year was the perfect time to kind of rebrand. I also wanted people to see the cover and see who they would be listening to. And so, yeah, yeah, that was sort of the cause for that. MARY: Did you change anything about the show instead of just the cover? CHIDINMA: What I did. I think when I did that subconsciously and maybe a little bit consciously, I think I started to become more personal. When you start a podcast and depending on who you are, for me, this. This was the case. I felt like I had to put on, like, a professional voice, quote, unquote. MARY: Yeah. CHIDINMA: And I didn't because I didn't want to fall into the trap of having a podcast where it was, quote, unquote, just two friends chatting-ish. Or just chilling. And I was like, I'm not like, you know, I feel like people don't take those podcasts seriously. So to combat that, I felt like I had to, you know, maybe like, sound uber professional or like, sound like I was like, I did like, research for certain topics and stuff. I still do, but it's just a lot more, like, personable now. Like, my personality is really showing through. I'm not afraid to, like, cuss here and there because it's, you're getting me, you're getting the full person, you're getting my stories now you're getting more of me, right?  So I think that is what I would say, especially 20, like, ending of 2023, 2024, you really start to see that, like, 2022, 2023, you got bits. But towards the end of 2023 and 2024, it was like, yes. And even more so this year, this year, just by virtue of where I'm at in life, the things that myself and my girlfriends are dealing with, a lot of our conversations are being more vulnerable. Like, we're talking about friendship breakups, where I was the one that made a mistake. We're talking about, you know, relationships and having to end them. We're talking about me, you know, losing my job due to the market. And we're combating and tackling those things, right?  I like it because then the audience gets to connect with not just the material, but with me, but still in a healthy way, because I'm never going to get on the mic and say, this is what I did, you should do it, too. This is for information. This is storytelling and a little bit of entertainment too, right? But I think that podcasting is a healthy medium to where people trust the voice, because I've been doing this for so long and I've been doing it based on research and having experts and reputable like girlfriends come on and we talk about it and we're doing it earnestly, we're not doing it maliciously. Like I'm never going to get on the mic and start chatting, ish. And not citing sources and stuff, right? So, yeah, I think that that's, that's been really, really something that I have focused on, you know? MARY: Mhm. I can hear it too in like the different segments that you have.  CHIDINMA: Yes.  MARY: And how you are.  CHIDINMA: Yeah.  MARY: And in your most recent episode you talk about getting, losing your job and that's very personal. But you walked around that to be like, hey, let's talk about this when I'm ready to do it. You know, it is your show, so I feel like there is a lot of community that you've built. But describe to me when your podcast really became like a community for you and had an impact for you. What does that mean? CHIDINMA: I think 2024 as well. I think when I did the rebrand, I pushed myself to do a pre-launch for that season and I invited about 10 women listeners, some of them were also podcasters themselves. And we did a pre-launch party where we watched 15 minutes of an episode that was to come and I revealed the cover art. So people, so they got to see the cover art before anybody else. And we just like, talked about what the podcast season was gonna look like. That was step one.  And then I think as much as social media has made it a little bit harder now in terms of reach and engagement, just showing up regularly, people are consistently seeing like, oh, she's serious about this. And people are, you know, commenting, sharing and they're also encouraging me. And I honestly think we might need to have this conversation again next year [LAUGHTER] because I think this year is when I'm really pushing myself to solidify the community aspect. So like, we have an upcoming movie, screening for Black Canadian film, yeah, Village Keeper. And I can actually share this if that's okay with you. Yeah, it's on May 29th in the evening and I'm sharing all about it on socials. So you can catch that there. Or if you listen to the most recent episodes of the podcast, the link is in the episode description. But yeah, we're, we're screening that and it's virtual. And so now I'm kind of testing myself to say, okay, who feels connected to this? The conversations that we're having on the podcast, who is, who wants to show up because of podcasting, it's very passive. So it's one thing to have people listen to you and enjoy the conversation. It's another thing to have people start coming to events or to want to pay for content, or to leave their house and show up for in person events, right?  So now I'm really seeing it. Like, one of the first things was I thought I could make a discord for our community. And I made a discord, actually. And then like a couple of people joined and then it was like I was hearing from a lot of women that like, you know what, I actually don't want to make a discord. I don't want to join a discord. It's another app.  MARY: Yeah.  CHIDINMA: Some people are like, I'm married, I have too many apps. And I was like, okay, I hear it. So you know what it seems like for my community newsletters would be good. So now I'm working on newsletters. So you're going to get a newsletter monthly about episodes and any events coming up. And then we're just going to keep using IG, like Instagram and have the IG community function and then get give out notifications there. And I've made that group really, really small and I'm inviting certain accounts that I know engage with the podcast.  So those are things that I'm trying. I'm also noticing that, like, I have to say things multiple times on the podcast… MARY: Oh yes. CHIDINMA: …for people to take action. Like, that's just. It is what it is on Instagram, because I've been showing up so much, even though reach is reduced, people will still kind of, you know, complete a survey or poll. So that has also been helpful too in terms of like, getting surveys about what the community wants. Like, people are saying that they want events, people want community events, virtual, they want to feel like they're connected with other listeners.  So people do want these things. I just think that with podcasts and it is a little harder because it's a passive medium. It's not like YouTube where while you're watching it, you're typing your comments and you're going back and forth. Like, it's very much like, I don't see the account that's listening to this, especially if it's Apple podcasts. Like, I just see that someone is listening, so yeah. MARY: Mhmm, and I think that's a lot of the challenge that podcasters have is that like you said, it is passive. It feels like a one way street conversation where you're just talking behind the mic and then you gotta wait a while before you hear back from the community.  CHIDINMA: Exactly. MARY: And also, like you said, you just have to repeat yourself a lot. And that is part of the audio medium. When I worked on radio, we were always told the best audio has to be repeated seven times in order for someone to get that into their brain. And even then, so because of that repetition, they might not need something right away, but because it's in their brain when, when they do need it, in that moment, they'll think of you and they'll think of what you've said so far and really want to work with you.  And so I think that's why a lot of people that start a podcast and they use it for a marketing purpose, right? Because they have a weekly show or bi-weekly show or whatever, you're in people's brains, you're in people's minds and hearts and ears. And so when they think of, oh, I need this, I'm going to work with the podcaster that I've been listening to the whole time. But, you were saying to me too that you also monetize your podcast,... CHIDINMA: Yeah. MARY: …so you do make money, which is different from just using it as a marketing piece for your brand. So walk me through that and what does that look like for you in terms of what does success look like for you? CHIDINMA: Okay, so in terms of, I guess building the brand, I personally didn't care for building a personal brand because, right now I still have, you know, a work life outside of the podcast. And I didn't see myself, I still don't necessarily see myself and the things that I do as a brand. And I, I'm not interested in developing like, a personal influencer type of brand on socials. MARY: Right. CHIDINMA: I am more so interested in building my platform and you can kind of know me through the podcast. That's what I'm more so interested in, right. So that's that. So with that, in terms of then monetizing that podcast monetization is so different from m other, I guess more visual influencer work because depending on what brand you're working with, you're not necessarily coming on Instagram to show like you're not doing like, a get ready with me with this makeup brand. You're reading an ad on the podcast. And so, what has worked or is working for me is working with agencies, are working with the network to connect me with brands. A lot of them are American and they're bigger because they have marketing budgets. And they're not the like beauty brands that people, some of them are, but they're not the beauty brands that, you know, you see on Instagram. But they're lifestyle brands. They'll be like your Cozy Earth. Of course everyone is who has ever listened to a podcast has probably heard of like, Better Help and there's like Squarespace and EarnIn who I work with. Cozy Earth I've worked with.  So I look out for brands that are like lifestyle, wellness, functionality, like finance, sort of like education or finance, um, help apps, like, you know, apps where it can keep you on track with your finances, stuff like that. Those are the brands and companies I find have the budget that can pay for multiple episodes. Like, I don't want to work with a brand if you're going to ask me to read an ad for one episode. That makes no sense to me. MARY: Yeah, like we said, we need that repetition. CHIDINMA: Exactly. It needs to be at least three and, or honestly five if we're being honest. And so, yeah, so that's working. I think right now a lot of my like, brand partnerships or ad campaigns are like three figures. I just landed a four figure one, like a good four figure one which I'm like, ooh, from one brand? Great, let's, let's get the ball rolling, right? And then on top of that, what also works is if you host your podcast on platforms like Red Circle, Acast, Megaphone, they will drop ads into your podcast and you go in and you can kind of like set certain like, ad locations on your podcast. And so because I host my podcast, a Megaphone on our network, Spotify will just drop ads there based on my ad location. And so far my average for that has been like 300, 300 to 400 a month. Which is not bad, right? MARY: That is not bad. CHIDINMA: Yeah. So with that plus like the brand stuff here and there, that's like, I'm doing okay. But again, podcasting, I mean influencing in general and content creation, it does take time to be able to work a brand. Like, it really is relationship building. Like the four figure deal I said I just landed, it was because I worked with that brand last year and they only sponsored three episodes. But this year they want to do it from like, may to like, almost the end of the year. So you know, like, it, it obviously results in a, in a higher amount. But yeah, it's a lot of relationship building. It's a lot of touch points, a lot of emails, and unfortunately, from my experience, right, because again, I work with agencies in the U.S. that connect me to some of these brands, like through my network.  But on the local level, I have tried and I even, like, paid someone who, who was just part time with me. She was helping me, like, do, like, brand outreach. I have found that Canadian brands just don't seem to have money or they don't seem to understand how podcasting can be important for their marketing strategy. So a lot of times you're setting meetings up and it's like, hey, I had one with this beauty brand and we're actually going to do a collaboration together, so I'm not going to say what it is.  MARY: Yeah CHIDINMA: And they're great, but they're a B corp, so they don't have a lot of money to put towards marketing right now. And then I had another brand, and even without saying if they had money or not, it was like, hey, we can give your listeners, like a free trial. And I was like, I'm looking for money. But yeah, I don't know, it just seems like Canadian brands so far are just more conservative in spending and that, that is in our nature. Like, if you compare U.S. and Canada, like us, you know, people are consumers, but they are also very entrepreneurial in spirit. So people are not, I feel like people are a little bit bolder in their spending, especially when it comes to things like ads, content. People do it because they see that that is business, that that is work, right?  And they spend the money because they make the money through, you know, entrepreneurial things or their own business. And they're just more advantageous when it comes to business content entrepreneurship in the States versus here. We are very, we hold our hands a little bit tighter because we don't see a lot of opportunities. So we're, we're reserved in how we spend. And so I don't blame the brands for being conservative with how they spend in terms of marketing. I just wish that, you know, they would take the risk to just be like, okay, if I give you like, $500 to $1K sponsor three, four episodes. Let's see what, let's see what you do. You know, but we'll see. MARY: Yeah, that's, the Canadian market has always been a tougher market to crack in, even in the broadcast world. You know, it's a totally different market. And Canadians are, we're slower to learn about and use podcasting as a listener. So, yeah, we're, we're slowly seeing us spend a little bit more just because there was more awareness, but because we started so low, that spend amount is still going to be so much lower than the U.S. CHIDINMA: Exactly. Yeah. Another thing to keep in mind is the CPM, which is like the cost per mile, but it really is just like the cost of brand. It's paying you per thousand listens on that particular episode or on your podcast overall, I think the industry standard right now was like 25. So some companies, I think it's like 20 to 20, oh, I don't want to lie to your listeners, [LAUGHTER] but I've seen 25. I've, I've worked with 28, I've worked with 21. And my lesson that I'm learning is if I'm working with an agency and they have to take a cut.  MARY: Yep. CHIDINMA: I'm doing my best to negotiate for at least 25 per thousand. It gets harder because then if you're a podcaster and you're not making like, you're not getting 10,000 downloads a month, like, that math will just feel really discouraging…  MARY: Yeah. CHIDINMA: …like 25 for every thousand. So if you, only if you get 5,000 a month, then you're getting, you know, 25 times five. What is that, like a hundred and something a month? So it could feel a little bit discouraging, but if you have like, 40,000 downloads a month or like, 30,000, which is where I'm at, then it's a bit more a month, you know? MARY: Yeah, exactly. And I think that's where a lot of listeners worry about the monetizing bit, right? Because you do need those numbers to back it up. And for even agencies to even want to start working with you is to have the numbers. But it's not all about the numbers, right? For you, it's also about building that community aspect. So how do you then refocus on the community stuff? So it's not always going to be about finances and money, money, money. CHIDINMA: Exactly. And I think so, honestly, the most realistic and honest answer that I can give for that is, it takes money to run this thing. So as much as I love the community aspect, I still need to be able to sustain this. But what I'm trying my best to do is to not rely on my community for the money. Like, I do want to start a Patreon, but again, people are just coming around to the concept of paying for content, so it'll be hard. I think, like that's, that's, that's another leap.  And so I think for me I'm really pushing to get my money for the podcast and my media work from companies and brands and sponsors so that the listeners and my community can, you know, either attend events for free, listen to content for free, and then in person events or some virtual offerings will be like an affordable rate. And maybe in a year I'll change my mind because, you know, the business strategy has changed. But I'm trying to not depend on my community for money. I just feel like that that’s harder, you know, so. MARY: Especially when your community is also talking about finances and struggling. CHIDINMA: Exactly. MARY: You know, losing their jobs and all this stuff too. Yeah, yeah. So, especially when you started out, you know, let's look back, reflect, what has really surprised you with the podcast? CHIDINMA: Oh, that's a good question. I feel like hmm. I feel like my growth to a certain extent has surprised me. I think when I first started, I really worried that people weren't going to want to listen because it's not a pop culture podcast. And even though, like,I basically do, like, edutainment, like, I'm educating you, but I'm also, like, entertaining you, right? And I was worried that we weren't going to, like, it wasn't going to seem like it was fun enough that people could listen to for an hour. But I was, you know, greatly, I was, I was wrong and I'm so happy I was wrong. And so I think the growth really surprised me, but I think the amount of work surprised me and the amount of work continues to surprise me. [LAUGHTER] Like, it doesn't surprise me now, but it just continues to increase, especially with each level that you get to. To where I'm like, damn, like, in 2020, I really just thought like, record, do a little bit of editing, put it out, record, do a little bit of editing, put it out. And that, that was okay for like 20, for people who started way back or 2011, 2012, that was fine because it wasn't that, like, saturated or wasn't, there weren't that many people starting podcasts back then, even up until, I want to say, 2018, 2019. But from 2019, when Spotify started telling everybody,...  MARY: Yeah. CHIDINMA: …hey, you get a bag and you get a bag, exclusive deal for you, that's when people were like, oh, I want to start a podcast too. And then every, like, it just like, it was like, the amount of work that it took to separate yourself increased. Now you needed video, now you needed Instagram pages and TikTok pages for sure. Now you might need a website for SEO. Now you need a team. You need someone to help you on, send out emails to guests. You need someone to help you with socials. You need a graphic designer. You need someone to help you on Canva. Like, yeah, the amount of work, woo. MARY: Yeah, I know. I loved, like, in the beginning when I saw, like, all the celebrity podcasts come in, and at first I was like, oh, man, you just, do we need another celebrity podcast? And but, then I was like, but wait, they're growing the industry. The industry itself is being well known. You know, and then I, then you'd see shows actually center around podcasting. And now. But then it's like, oh, every mother and their dog now has a podcast. And it, like you said, does saturate the market. But I loved seeing how the industry has grown and has been accepted as, like, the norm. CHIDINMA: Yes. MARY: And even today, I read a headline like, the Golden Globes is going to now give out a podcast award.  CHIDINMA: Wow. Because I know, like, there's the Podcast Academy already. Like, there's the Podcast Academy, which is like, I guess, like the podcast equivalent of Grammys. So they give out podcast awards.  MARY: Yeah.  CHIDINMA: And then, of course, you have the Signal Awards, which we won one. Thank god. There's so many different awards for podcasting that don't just have to be like, podcasting award. Like, we also want to communicate our award last year in 2024. MARY: Oh sweet. CHIDINMA: And I was like, okay, because you're communicating on the mic. I was like, this is, wow, wild. That's nothing. That shocked me, like, the awards, right? And so my next one that I am looking out for is, like, maybe the Webbies when we grow a bit more. And the Podcast Academy one. I definitely have my eye on those. But yeah, like, I'm so grateful that people are seeing podcasting as work. And it takes a team. MARY: Yes. Exactly. CHIDINMA: You know, and so that's why, unfortunately, sometimes you see bigger networks and companies betting on people that already have a name so that they can bring an audience. MARY: Exactly. And that's why there are so many celebrity podcasts. [LAUGHTER] CHIDINMA: Exactly. MARY: So aside from the awards and that stuff that we had just talked about, what else are you really excited about podcasting right now? CHIDINMA: Oh, honestly. So on, like a micro level, I'm honestly excited to just put out my next episode. I feel like the next one is really, really great. We get deeper into, like, my, you know, current life update with work and everything. So in this space that I am, I'm getting re-excited about, like, the episodes, and recording, and putting them out and just people hearing them like, that is really exciting to me.  I also think last year I was more like head down and my 9 to 5 was really busy, so I didn't really get to go out. But this year I would like to see if I could attend more, like, in person podcasting events. Like, I'm excited to meet other podcasts. I recently have attended a couple of networking events here in Toronto that I've related to podcasting, like, the Podcast Summit. And there was another sort of, like, more exclusive one, but I'm hoping to get out to, like, the Podcast Movements and the big ones. Um, maybe one. I know there's one in August. Hopefully I can get out to that one. We'll see. But yeah. MARY: But yeah, nice. Yeah, I love that you were saying the micro. Because at the core of podcasting really is recording those episodes, right? They are just talking and then, yeah, in the broader sense of meeting other podcasters. And I have the same buzzy feeling too. Like, I just want to get out and see people again. And I'm thinking about checking out Pod Summit YYC in Calgary this year. It's in September. And yeah, seeing that the Canadian aspect of the industry growing as well. And so that's not all focused on the U.S. and always going to the States for podcast movement and evolutions and all that stuff, which is great, but also seeing the Canadian side grow. So maybe I'll catch you in person at one of these events one day. CHIDINMA: Yes, fingers crossed. I hope we do. MARY: So on that, thank you so much, Chidinma, for joining me. This has been such a fun conversation, getting into the insights of your show, and I could ask you about a whole bunch of other things that I'm like, oh, I need to know more about this and that, but another time. CHIDINMA: Yes, for sure, for sure. Let me know. I'm definitely open to having more conversations about this. I feel like it's so helpful for, you know, upcoming podcasters, current podcasters, even just listeners, to know, you know, how they can support the podcast that they listen to, right? So thank you so much for having me on. This was so great, Mary. I do really, really appreciate it. [MUSIC IN] MARY: What I'm really struck by, Chidinma, is that evolution, not just for the podcast itself, you know, the rebrand and everything, but the evolution of herself, her confidence, yet still staying humble to always asking, yeah, but what do I know? I appreciate that she reminds me that we're always learning, no matter where we are on this podcasting journey. We learn from each other. We learn from the process of just doing. And from the product itself, the podcast, there will always be turning points in life and it's using that curiosity to figure out what the next steps can be. And that she's willing to try and experiment.  Sometimes after you produce a show for so many seasons, it's easy to just like, sit back and keep doing the thing that you always do, right? It's like, oh, I've done this before. This is easy. I'll just do steps A, B and C, podcast is done. But I love that Chidinma is always looking to learn and grow alongside her podcast with her listeners. So whether you're just starting your podcast or you're looking to grow and monetize like she did, but when it comes down to it, the podcast really is about your listeners.  So it's what she's doing on her show for and with her community. And like I said on the episode, and I've said many times on this podcast, it's not about you. It's not about you as the host, or it's not about you if you're a guest. It is about the listener. And for Chidinma, it's her community and being curious to find the next topic or theme to help her community grow, not only in, like, growing her community numbers in that sense, but to grow in each listener's own learning journey. So thank you again to Chidinma for being here and sharing her podcasting journey. And especially learning. I get to learn from someone who's brought success on her own terms.  So in the next episode, let's continue this idea of curiosity. I'm going to ask the question, how does curiosity play a significant role in your podcast, especially for interviews? I started thinking about this because I had a conversation with my daughter. And like I've always said before too, a lot of my work is intertwined, right? It's not just about podcasting, but it's life and how does that work with the podcast and family and everything is just connected. And this is part of the show prep stuff that I always learn from radio. Things you do on the day to day can be brought to life on the podcast. And so I want to bring this idea that my daughter and I had about asking questions to bring out stories that you want to hear, to be a stronger storyteller, and to have really in-depth conversations. So when you become curious, your conversations have the potential to be really, really juicy. So I'll catch you next time on the show.  [MUSIC ENDS] > MARY: Thank you so much for listening to the Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice. If you enjoyed this episode, I'd love it if you’d share it with a podcasting friend. And to reveal more voicing and podcasting tips, click on over to VisibleVoicePodcast.com. Until next time. > [MUSIC ENDS]

Podcast on Pause? How To Restart or Reimagine Your Show - EP 96

What does coming back strong from a podcast hiatus look like? In the day-to-day chaos of our lives—balancing work, family, personal time, household upkeep, etc, etc—it’s perfectly understandable if it feels like a bit much to plan, record, publish, and market a podcast on top of that. If you’re thinking about pressing pause on your show, or you already have, rest assured, you can take that step without derailing your past progress. In this episode, Mary talks you through how to put your show on hiatus and set yourself up to return strong. Whether you plan to reimagine the whole thing or just take a break before diving back into business as usual, you’ll want to ponder the goals of your podcast, your ideal workflow, and—maybe most importantly—the fact that taking breaks is a natural and healthy part of continuing to enjoy your podcasting journey! Start preparing for your pause and your return right now: Why it’s important to keep your listeners in the loop How to incorporate the role you want your podcast to play What to include in an updated feature episode once you’re back Why it’s a great idea to build in breaks ahead of time Links worth mentioning from the episode: Episode 87, “Find Podcast Success While Doing Less”: https://www.organizedsound.ca/find-podcast-success-while-doing-less-episode-87/ Episode 84, “Simplify Your Workflow to Keep Your Podcasting Passion Alive”: https://www.organizedsound.ca/simplify-your-workflow-to-keep-your-podcasting-passion-alive-with-craig-constantine-episode-84/ Podtalk, “Presence with Mary Chan”: https://podtalk.show/presence-with-mary-chan/ Connect with Mary! Leave a voice note with your feedback at https://www.speakpipe.com/VisibleVoice or email visiblevoicepodcast@gmail.com Get the full transcript of the episode at http://www.visiblevoicepodcast.com Read up on more secrets with the Visible Voice Insights Newsletter https://www.organizedsound.ca/newsletter To learn more or work with Mary, check out https://www.organizedsound.ca Link up on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/marychan-organizedsound/ Engage on Instagram @OrganizedSoundProductions https://www.instagram.com/organizedsoundproductions Show Credits: Podcast audio design, engineering, and edited by Mary Chan of Organized Sound Productions Show notes written by Shannon Kirk of Right Words Studio Post-production support by Kristalee Forre of Forre You VA Podcast cover art by Emily Johnston of Artio Design Co. Transcript with Audio Description: [MUSIC IN - GHOSTHOOD FEATURING SARA AZRIEL “LET’S GO” BEGINS] MARY: With all this uncertainty in the world, podcasting is, spoiler alert, not going to be your number one priority in your life. Okay, I know. Maybe it's already on the back burner for you, actually, and you feel this nagging feeling to do something. It's like, oh, I have my podcast. I should put out an episode, or, oh, I want to talk about these things, but, oh, I don't know, how do I have time? It's kind of nagging you.  But the overwhelm of everything else in your life either A, doesn't give you the time to record, or B, the mental capacity to say a coherent sentence at this time is truly, truly lacking. So what is it like to take a pause from your podcast and also then come back too, with that intention? How do you restart or maybe reimagine your podcast if you're in a season of overwhelm or busyness? Or you know what, it's been on the back burner for a while and you're like, I want to come back now. So what can you do either to prep for this pause or figuring out what it can look like when you want to come back?  This is episode number 96 on the Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice.  > Hey there, welcome to the show. This is episode number 96, as I said.  [MUSIC ENDS] But you know what? If you go back to episode 87, about doing less for your podcast, if you haven't listened to that one yet, do go and listen to that one, because it'll be a great companion episode for this one. It'll give you some ideas on shifting your podcast workflow and just giving you a few more details and expansion on what I'm going to talk about today. So, yeah, bookmark that. If you haven't listened to episode 87 yet, that is the one to get to after this one. All right. [MUSIC IN] So today we're going to talk about, hey, maybe somewhere along the way of your podcasting journey, you paused the show, or you, uh, plan to pause it now, or maybe you want to come back from your show. What does this all look like? Will you be getting back to the old workflow that you used to do? What worked for you then, and what would you change now? Another question could be, what did you never liked about that podcast workflow? So you would like to get rid of it or approve upon it altogether, right? Getting rid of it could just mean, like, skipping that step or passing it off to somebody else.  So we're going to deep dive into some of these things today. To maybe even reimagine what it could look like to restart that podcasting journey of yours. So, the foundational question, really, I'm going to ask you is, is this the same podcast that you want to create, or is there a new iteration for you right now in your podcasting journey? So if you're in that season of overwhelm right now and you want to reimagine what your podcast can look like in the future, we're definitely going to take a look at that in this episode. So what does restarting a podcast look like? But before we even get to that, let's take a look first at the pause.  [MUSIC ENDS] So maybe you're in that overwhelm season right now, and you're like, I just have to stop cold turkey. I don't have time for this. But if you do have the bandwidth, if you do have that mental energy to create one more episode, it's best not to ghost your listeners. You know, as a listener myself, I always wonder, oh, is this person coming back? Or maybe I've noticed, you know, they used to have a weekly show, but they haven't published this week. Oh, sometimes I might not notice the first week, but then the second week, third week, fourth week a month, two months go by, and I was like, oh, yeah, I used to like listening to this show. What happened to it? It's not coming up on my feed anymore.  So if you have the bandwidth, create a final episode and provide them with what your plan is so that, you know, a few months down the road, they can still think, oh, yeah, what happened to that show? I wonder if they're back yet. Or, you know what? Even if you don't have a plan, let them know that you don't have a plan, [LAUGHTER] that you'd like to come back. Just depends on what the situation is, right? So it just depends on your transparency and what you want to share.  Some of the things that you can share are your hopes for the podcast. What do you love best about creating the show for your ideal listener? Share that as well, because they want to know what's going on in your head. So could be a short solo episode that you share this, or you can create one of your regular episodes. Especially if you do interview episodes, you can tag it onto your intro and outro for the next episode that you create.  The point of all of this is the intention and making sure that your listener is on that plan as well. You don't want to just leave them in a lurch, right? Especially if you've been creating a show for quite some time. They want to know where you are on that journey and go alongside with you. So, you might not have all your plans ironed out right now, but maybe this is also a good way to verbalize those ideas. I've had people do a solo episode and just start with a few bullet points and then just riff on that and figure out, okay, is this what I want to do? If I say it out loud, it might create a different meaning for you. So your episode doesn't have to be pre-planned and scripted, freestyling it as a brainstorming session out loud can really be beneficial as well.  However, if you do have a plan, great. Let your listener know. I know for me, I've always scheduled in breaks, so I talk about those pauses in my last episode before I do the break. And I'll also let my listener know when I'm back. Like, I could have an exact date or I could just say like, mid-September or something like that, right? But right now, let's take a step back, back. So we're taking a step back even further and think about some options that you have when you come back from your break. Whether it's a couple of months or it's been a whole year or more since your last episode. What's the plan?  [MUSIC IN] So even before you hit that record button, let's revisit our foundations. Here are some prompts for you to start thinking about what you want out of your podcast. Has your ideal listener changed? If so, how? Who is this person now? What are you passionate about currently? What new directions related to your business, or work, or organization that could drive new goals for your podcast? And finally, what role does your podcast play in those new goals? Does your podcast role need to shift?  Earlier this year, mid-April, I was actually speaking at NTEN's Nonprofit Technology Conference about just that. Your podcast role. That, in order to figure out the direction of your podcast, or in this case, maybe a new direction when you're coming back, we need to know what role your podcast will play for your goals. You know, things like your frequency, your length, how long your episodes are the types of resources that go into a podcast, like show notes, that will all change based on what the role of your podcast is.  For example, if you're looking just to create a lot more episodes, you're like, I want to come back and I want to come back strong. With weekly shows, a content role could be what you're after, but in this case, after a pause, really, do you have the bandwidth to continually create a weekly show and then repurpose that episode into other forms of content? You really gotta think about your capacity as well.  As another example, if you're looking to build relationships, this is usually the easiest way to create a podcast and one that you actually hear very often. They are mainly interview style shows where you are focused on finding aligned guests to solve your ideal listeners challenges. You are also spending time promoting that person before, during, and especially after each episode. But maybe you're looking at your podcast as a way to engage with your listeners more. So this time you want to think about spending more time on collecting questions and perhaps voice clips to add to those episodes. You're really asking for their feedback and getting those voice clips. You also could share like Q&As or Ask Me Anything, AMA type episodes to get their thoughts or opinions. So they are really engaged with you as the host.  But maybe your podcast role is to be more about moving people from the podcast to another platform that you have. So whether that is going to your email list where you do the majority of your sales or I've also seen nonprofit organizations use this to convert listeners from the podcast to paying donors and being on their email list there. So you'll be spending more time on your podcast creating story and compelling emotional connections. And knowing that this then requires more highly produced podcasts with like music and sound effects and clips of people's stories. So capacity wise, this is going to be upping your game.  Or maybe it's about thought leadership. You know what, I really want to hone in on this thought leadership piece for my podcast. You have ideas to share, so you mainly want to have solo episodes. Well, you'll never run out of things to talk about. So in this capacity piece, you're going to be doing a lot of that prep work. You want to be the authority in your industry where you're going to have high level conversations take place. So you really got to map out what you want to talk about. You'll focus on a lot of details for actionable items and takeaways for your listener beyond the show notes.  Because you know, if I'm learning from you, I also want to learn from you, maybe on your blog or newsletter. I want to sign up for that. You've got a whole ecosystem to spread your message and podcasting is just one part of that. So overall, what role do you see your podcast taking shape as? Because once you know that, we can take a look at options to coming back or reimagining your show.  [MUSIC ENDS] So now when you do come back, what are you going to do differently, if any? I was talking with Craig Constantine. He was actually on my podcast a little while back, but then I was on his show called Podtalk. And that was an episode I think came out in late March. I've shared the link with you in the show notes. I was actually his first guest after he had a very long break. I think he said at least a year. It was a year before he had me as a published episode.  So he had a fantastic workflow that worked for him. Remember, he talked about that on my show. So what he did for restarting Podtalk was essentially the exact same show. He didn't do anything different. And he just came back with a new episode saying in his intro that he's back after a break and there's nothing wrong with doing just that. If you want to go back to what worked for you before, that's totally cool.  But if you want to change things up, especially due to that capacity piece, whether it's frequency, meaning how often you publish, or going with or without guests, or maybe the length of the episode, maybe you're like I just want to do a lot shorter episodes now, this would be great to either say it in your new episode or create a whole new trailer. Because if it's a totally different style of show, a new trailer would be great to help advertise that right, for that organic search. So this becomes your new featured episode.  And especially for those that are newly discovering your podcast, that organic search, they'll know exactly what the new shows is all about. And actually, even before you hit record, like I always say, it's all about the pre-stuff. What will your new workflow look like if you've never done guests before, how will you now incorporate a system into your show to bring guests on? If you were too busy before, does this new workflow actually work with your current capacity? And how are you integrating your podcast tasks, maybe into your calendar so that you actually do those tasks? Maybe you need some reminders on your phone. Do you have a team maybe you can assign some tasks to, or they can send you those reminders? I want to make sure that in three or six months time down the road, you are not back to this overwhelmed stage if you can avoid it.  The capacity to create a podcast is probably more than you actually think. I know a lot of people always go into podcasting thinking, oh, yeah, you know, you just hit record and then you publish it, right? Well, in fact, I know if your podcast is tied to your work, if you're an entrepreneur, or you have it tied to your organization, or maybe if it's just a huge passion project, it's going to take a few more hours than you think. Podcasting is a lot of work, but, you know, there's value to this work, and it's fun. Like, who doesn't love doing something fun? And it's when it stops being fun, when the overwhelm presents itself, that we feel like we need that break, right?  So I was thinking back to my show. You know, it feels like it's always been with a season. People always say, like, oh, yeah, you can create seasons, right? Like on TV shows, you create a season. Podcasting, similar. For me, I created my show with breaks in between these seasons to deal with that overwhelm piece. In my life, there are two sets or two, I guess. Two sets? Yeah, two series. Every year for me, I take a pause between December and February, and then also in the summer, July and August. So I need that time to recalibrate, to rest, and also to figure out, okay, what am I really passionate about right now that I want to talk about in this season, right?  So give or take a few weeks or so of that time frame, I usually have those breaks. And my podcast doesn't have any themes or true story arcs to justify, like, an actual season. So some people might call it a series, where you do a certain amount, maybe have a broad theme around it for a number of episodes, and then you take a break. I could more broadly associate with that, like a series versus seasons, but technicality rather doesn't matter what you call it. But in my mind, listeners are still going to listen as long as they understand what the cadence or frequency is. You don't ghost them. You let them know on the last episode before there is a break.  So a lot of my listeners know that I will take a break during my winter and my summer because we're all doing things during that time of year, and I need the break, and I need to spend time with my family so they'll know. Right? You know, right? Okay. So we're gonna take a look now at what you can do to shift it back to that fun piece I was mentioning earlier. There's no one way or one right answer to have fun, right? Everybody has fun in their own way. But I just want you to consider that breaks are totally okay.  In fact, they are needed. I know in the world of content and fear of missing out, you feel some outside pressure to continually create. Maybe it's just our society, but really, you don't have to. Like I said, I do it for my sanity. I do it for my family. The breaks come first. You schedule that in. You know, we might think we have to do weekly episodes, but we don't. So unless you are a big celebrity podcast with a big advertising revenue behind you, who says you need to have weekly content? We don't. That's not the podcast that we're creating. In fact, it's because of advertising that we have sort of this unspoken rule about content creation. But in podcasting, that kind of goes against that traditional idea, the traditional broadcast idea with advertisers, right. That you are, as a podcaster, are not tied to any fixed schedule, that you are not beholden to any advertisers that way. And yet, yet, even if you are, you do have advertisers. Can you incorporate these ads into your new reimagined schedule?  So do you want to do sprints? Maybe you batch record on a whole new, different level, right? There are lots of options that you can still do a bunch of recording, but then being able to edit, and schedule, and have them out there so you don't just have a whole bunch of recordings and nothing ever gets done with it, right? Because after you record, there's still lots to do in that process to get that podcast out there.  So lots of options, lots of things to think about and mull over. So I'd love to hear your ideas. What is working for you? Or if you're in a season of overwhelm, what's stopping you from, well, stopping, right? I want to know. You can send me a voice note from my website, VisibleVoicePodcast.com or you can also email me as usual, VisibleVoicePodcast@gmail.com I know right now I am just figuring out my last few episodes before I go on my summer break. Oh, my gosh, I can't believe I'm already thinking about a summer break. But that's what you got to do when you're planning in advance. You were recording this maybe a few weeks ahead of time because you want to get to that break.  So do you have the capacity to do that? I'd love to know. What are you doing with your podcast to build in those breaks. [MUSIC IN] On the next episode? Next time, we're going to hear from someone who wanted to create a space for affirming, learning and healing, so she turned to a podcast. I'm going to be in conversation with Chidinma Azubuike, founder of the award winning, But What Do I Know podcast where she merges her love for community building and development with her passion for storytelling and facilitating conversations. She's got a fantastic podcasting journey story to share with you, so you're gonna learn a lot from her. So chat with you then. [MUSIC ENDS] > MARY: Thank you so much for listening to the Podcaster's Guide to a Visible Voice. If you enjoyed this episode, I'd love it if you’d share it with a podcasting friend. And to reveal more voicing and podcasting tips, click on over to VisibleVoicePodcast.com. Until next time. > [MUSIC ENDS]