First, very sorry for the audio issues with this. At the moment I'm confined to video conferencing using whatever my guests can get hold of and I tried to reset some of it, and managed to do a bit of damage to the file.
Please do bare with us though because this was a properly fascinating conversation. Elizabeth Dennis-Harburg is a Labour Concillor and competitive figure skater. We talked human-penguin hybrids, My Chemical Romance and why reusing is better than recycling. Elizabeth will like never be elected again after this goes out. Sorry about that.
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