How DeepSeek leveraged Qwen and Llama to build its model in $5M

Meta’s Llama might not actually be open source AI, and the developers building on it have no idea.

In this episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple sits down with Amanda Brock, CEO of OpenUK, to break down what open source actually means in the age of AI and why most of the industry is getting it wrong.

They get into:

• what open washing is and why it is happening across major models right now
• how DeepSeek built a frontier model for $5 million instead of $100 million
• why Chinese developers are already on Kimi and the west is sleeping on it
• what the west needs to learn from China's open source strategy before it is too late

Eight companies already control the world's digital infrastructure. We cannot let that happen again with AI.

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• Simon Maple: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
• Amanda Brock: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandabrocktech/
• OpenUK: https://www.linkedin.com/company/openuktechnology/?originalSubdomain=uk
• Tessl: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/

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