What To Do If You Get Laid Off: Employment Attorney Ryan Stygar on Keyboard Tracking, Return to Office and Negotiating Severance

Employment attorney Ryan Stygar joins Nicole to hand us the playbook our employers hope they never find. He breaks down what "at-will employment" actually means and the exact moves to make the moment you get that dreaded out-of-nowhere email from HR. He also reveals everything that's negotiable in a severance package: the cash amount, COBRA coverage, equity vesting schedules, and non-disparagement clauses, and shares how he turned a $6,000 severance offer into over $60,000 for one client.

Then Nicole and Ryan role-play a firing from both sides of the table — so you know exactly what to say and what never to say. They dig into the issues that disproportionately affect women at work: pregnancy discrimination (the number one form Ryan sees in his practice), his controversial-but-legally-sound advice to disclose your pregnancy early, what rights you have if you miscarry, and how return-to-office mandates are quietly being weaponized as stealth layoffs. 

Plus: AI keystroke monitoring, non-competes in the current legal landscape, and the interview questions that are totally illegal — that you're probably being asked right now.

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Here's what Nicole covers with Ryan: 

00:00 Are You Ready for Some Money Rehab? 

02:01 Ryan's Path: From Firefighter to Workers' Rights Lawyer 

02:52 Nicole Gets Let Go From CNN 

03:44 Why HR Is Not Your Friend 

05:34 The Right (and Wrong) Way to Fire Someone 

06:41 It's Illegal to Fire Someone for Discussing Their Pay 

08:44 Building Your Paper Trail From Day One 

20:07 At-Will Employment, Explained 

24:50 What to Do the Moment You Get That HR Email 

26:31 Don't Sign Anything When You're Fired 

29:14 Severance Is Negotiable 

31:54 How Contingency Lawyers Can Help (Even When You're Broke) 

33:38 What Else Is on the Table: COBRA, Equity, and Non-Disparagement Clauses 

37:38 Role Play: Getting Fired (What Not to Do) 

39:23 Role Play: Getting Laid Off (The Right Way to Handle It) 

44:09 How a Good Employer Handles the Conversation 

46:34 Freelancers and the 1099 vs. W-2 Trap 

49:59 The Fear of Getting Blacklisted for Asserting Your Rights 

50:19 Sexual Harassment: Who's Most at Risk and What to Do 

52:44 Maternity Leave and Pregnancy Discrimination 

55:28 Controversial Advice: Disclose Your Pregnancy Early 

59:14 What to Get in Writing When You're Pregnant 

01:02:16 Your Rights If You Miscarry 

01:04:59 Return to Office as a Stealth Layoff Strategy 

01:08:10 AI Tracking and Keystroke Monitoring 

01:12:25 Non-Competes: What You Need to Know in 2026 

01:17:09 Illegal Interview Questions (Role Play) 

01:23:00 Ryan Stygar's Tip You Can Take Straight to the Bank

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