Mark Wales is one of our favourite guests – so much so that Ben can’t remember how many times he’s been on the show (turns out this is only the second). But each time has been a great conversation, and this is certainly no exception. Mark, fresh off his momentous half-million dollar Survivor: Blood and Water victory, joins Ben and Tim to talk all things reality TV, tough luxury, fathering, books, music, Anzac Day….and conspiracy theories. A must-listen episode!
3:25 Welcoming Mark back for the second – or is it third?! – no, wait – second time!
5:30 On Survivor – second time around
7:00 The dangers of playing tactics on Survivor – with your wife! (or – can you leave all that stuff on set, or does some of it come home with you?!)
8:55 How does Survivor compare with the SAS selection course?
11:05 The trappings of reality TV fame – how often does Mark get recognised in the street?!
15:09 Mark’s reflections on being an author
19:00 What does Anzac Day mean to Mark?
21:30 A quick detour into opinions on Australian defence capability
24:45 Mark on parenting – and on leaving his four year-old son Harry to play Survivor
29:51 Ben on helicopter parenting
32:00 Kill Kapture – has Survivor and Mark’s book moved the needle on jacket sales? Includes some great whiskey discussion – and some discussion about great whiskey, including WhipperSnapper (click here for our discussion with Jimmy McKeown, Master Distiller at WhipperSnapper)
38:30 A few questions and comments from the Instagram livestream
39:30 Mark’s current fitness regime – and how did he prepare for Survivor – from a physical and mental perspective
44:30 What’s Mark reading at the moment?
50:30 And then, somehow, the conversation shifts to UFO and conspiracy theories…
57:10 Ben explains more than anyone ever wanted to know about Little Bird – the song he recorded in Saddam’s toilet in Iraq
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External Links
Kill Kapture – Mark’s ‘tough luxury’ company. And home of the best leather jackets on the planet.
Music
The Externals – available on Spotify
Ben Frichot - available on Spotify
Ben Pronk - not available anywhere (with good reason)
S5E8 – Riana Crehan ‘Suffers Well’; From Supercars to SAS Australia
S5E7 – MAJGEN Justin “Jake” Ellwood DSC AM CSC – On Running (an Army Division, the Queensland Reconstruction Authority….and in general!)
S5E6 – Dr. Luana Main – The Good, the Bad and the Ugly of stress and (over)training
@RV31 - Reconciliation, Travel and Reflections on Guests
S5E5 – Rachel Vickery “Don’t Fix Broken – Create Awesome”
S5E4– Creativity Builds Resilience: Artists in Foxholes @fova.org.au
S5E3– Ian Prior: How Professional Athletes Stay In the Arena
S5E2– Dr Rob Barbour: SAS Doctor Out of Africa
S5E1B – Jaz Diab – Special Forces Nuclear Scientist, Nerd and Mum! Part B
S5E1A – Jaz Diab: Special Forces Nuclear Scientist, Nerd and Mum! Part A
@RV30 – The Season 5 Kick Off
Season 5- We are (ALL) back on the cans
Season 5 - And We're Back!
Special Episode- Vale Tim Robertson: Forever the Chronic Overachiever
@RV29 – Events and Reflections: The Year in Review
S4E21- Ben and Tim on the Golds Gym Podcast
S4E20 – Senator David Van – Politics and Conflict, at home and abroad
S4E19 – Brad McIlroy: Beyond the Bali Bombing
S4E18 – Associate Professor Justine Gatt: Providing a COMPAS to navigate wellbeing and resilience
S4E17 – Life in Bloom: Sam and Cam Bloom on Life, Adversity, Growth and Love
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