In this episode, Ben and Tim reminisce about recent chats with some incredible guests, including humanitarian Beth Eggleston, plastic surgeon Linda Monshizadeh and security guru Kim Martens. And following those three amazing ladies, they bring another amazing lady, Monika Georgieva, back into the studio to ask some additional questions about the infamous SAS Selection Course, including the highs and lows, intrinsic and extrinsic motivation and self-doubt. And finally, a whole bunch of outstanding emails, questions and feedback from listeners.
As always, please let us know what you think! Good, bad or indifferent, we’d love to hear from you – email debrief@unforgiving60.com.
Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)
01:45 Reflections on Beth Eggleston, including the stereotypical views of soldiers and humanitarians in a war zone.
04:15 List of famous US Peace Corps alumni
05:25 Reflections on Dr Linda; Ben reveals his preconceptions on plastic surgery going into the episode – and how it changed!
07:00 David Gillespie’s Teen Brain – great read, albeit super scary if you have teenage children!
08:49 Parallels with our recent chat with Steve Biddulph
10:30 Linda’s art. Far too talented…
11:40 Reflections on Kim Martens. Starting with the benefits of starting your professional career at a fast food joint
12:35 Out of the Western Australian Police Force…..and into Iraq!
13:45 Ben’s profound reflections on the IED threat – ‘it was messed up!’
14:30 Ben and Tim reflect on humankind’s darker side, including through the lens of Eddie Jaku’s amazing book The Happiest Man on Earth
16:00 The nature of evil – and how it might not be that far away from many people in society
17:44 Tim’s switching speed – akin to an aircraft carrier turning around
18:07 Cat’s in the Cradle – still brings a tear to Ben’s eye
19:30 Ben and Kim’s shared passion of lapping in V8s
20:30 ‘Undue noise due to method of operation’ – Ben’s first traffic infringement. Is this still a thing? Let us know – debrief@unforgiving60.com
21:30 Listener feedback - plus Ben and Tim trying to work out which of the ‘social medias’ they are on
23:00 Tegere Outdoors – veteran owned company doing fantastic outdoor gear, including space-age facial mask!
24:45 Coffee Cannon crowdfunding campaign – get behind it!
28:00 Unforgiving60 reading list. Coming soon. We think.
30:00 Back by popular demand – Monika Georgieva! Live in the studio
31:00 Only weirdos enjoy the SAS selection course
31:30 Mon’s best bit on selection
34:22 Mon’s lowest point on selection
38:00 Ben’s lowest point on selection. Involving chickens
40:50 Physical and mental preparedness
43:15 Tim’s physical training journal. Not a weighty tome
45:30 Specialisation. It’s for insects.
46:40 Life lessons from the selection course
48:30 Intrinsic and extrinsic motivators – finding the right balance
55:30 Life imitating art – Ben’s selection course-like experience on operations in Afghanistan
1:03:15 An email from Pucka! With some great reflections on creating a safe-to-fail environment in training
External Links
Music
The Externals … Available on Spotify
S5E8 – Riana Crehan ‘Suffers Well’; From Supercars to SAS Australia
S5E7 – MAJGEN Justin “Jake” Ellwood DSC AM CSC – On Running (an Army Division, the Queensland Reconstruction Authority….and in general!)
S5E6 – Dr. Luana Main – The Good, the Bad and the Ugly of stress and (over)training
@RV31 - Reconciliation, Travel and Reflections on Guests
S5E5 – Rachel Vickery “Don’t Fix Broken – Create Awesome”
S5E4– Creativity Builds Resilience: Artists in Foxholes @fova.org.au
S5E3– Ian Prior: How Professional Athletes Stay In the Arena
S5E2– Dr Rob Barbour: SAS Doctor Out of Africa
S5E1B – Jaz Diab – Special Forces Nuclear Scientist, Nerd and Mum! Part B
S5E1A – Jaz Diab: Special Forces Nuclear Scientist, Nerd and Mum! Part A
@RV30 – The Season 5 Kick Off
Season 5- We are (ALL) back on the cans
Season 5 - And We're Back!
Special Episode- Vale Tim Robertson: Forever the Chronic Overachiever
@RV29 – Events and Reflections: The Year in Review
S4E21- Ben and Tim on the Golds Gym Podcast
S4E20 – Senator David Van – Politics and Conflict, at home and abroad
S4E19 – Brad McIlroy: Beyond the Bali Bombing
S4E18 – Associate Professor Justine Gatt: Providing a COMPAS to navigate wellbeing and resilience
S4E17 – Life in Bloom: Sam and Cam Bloom on Life, Adversity, Growth and Love
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