179. “He just turned 50 and we have no savings. I’m panicking.”

Kate is a 43-year-old mom and homeschool teacher. Drew is a 50-year-old professor. They’re $480k in debt with no savings and no retirement plan. Kate is panicking—but Drew refuses to talk about it, and neither of them are willing to make big spending cuts or say “no” to their kids’ expenses. 

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