Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
543: Women and the Gender of God with Amy Peeler
542: How to Repair American Evangelicalism with Walter Kim
French Friday: Free Speech & Social Media
541: Rethinking Heaven, the Harrowing of Hell, & Christian Civics with Michael Wear
540: Top Stories of ’22, “Tots of Scorn,” & the Naughty List with a Secret Guest
539: Megachurch Christmas Controversy & Answers in Exodus with Carmen Imes
538: Rotten Pastoral Restoration & the Power of Pain with Drew Dyck
What in the World? EPISODE 4: The Mission of God
French Friday: The Case for Civil Same-Sex Marriage
537: The War Over Christmas Movies & Gen Z’s Mental Health with Josh Packard
536: Listener Voicemails! Archeology, Abortion, & Avoiding Holiday Family Arguments
Episode 535: What Does the Global Church Believe About Guns? with Morgan Lee
Episode 534: Does Ministry Matter More than the Marketplace? with Joe Leininger
Episode 533: Why Do We Struggle with the Sabbath? with Ruth Haley Barton
French Friday: What Abortion Abolitionists Get Wrong
Episode 532: How Would Jesus Fight the Culture War? with Mike Erre
Episode 531: What’s Wrong with Christian Nationalism? with Paul D. Miller
Episode 530: Can We Still Trust the News? with Bonnie Kristian
Episode 529: Rapture Anxiety & Why Analog Discipleship is Better with Jay Y. Kim
French Friday: Is Evangelicalism about Jesus or Sexual Ethics?
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