How To Escape Your Brain’s Default Mode Network | Zindel Segal and Norman Farb

2026-04-20

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Using your senses to reduce overthinking, turn down the voice in your head, and get out of what these scientists call "the house of habit." Dr. Zindel Segal is Distinguished Professor of Psychology in Mood Disorders at the University of Toronto Scarborough and a cofounder of Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy. Professor Norman Farb, PhD, is an Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Toronto Mississauga, where he directs the Regulatory and Affective Dynamics laboratory. Together, they are the co-authors of Better In Every Sense: How the New Science of Sensation Can Help You Reclaim Your Life. In this episode w...

Using your senses to reduce overthinking, turn down the voice in your head, and get out of what these scientists call "the house of habit."

Dr. Zindel Segal is Distinguished Professor of Psychology in Mood Disorders at the University of Toronto Scarborough and a cofounder of Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Therapy.

Professor Norman Farb, PhD, is an Associate Professor of Psychology at the University of Toronto Mississauga, where he directs the Regulatory and Affective Dynamics laboratory.

Together, they are the co-authors of Better In Every Sense: How the New Science of Sensation Can Help You Reclaim Your Life.

In this episode we talk about:

How the brain's default mode network is essential to our survival but also can keep us stuck in rumination and overthinking
Segal and Farb's simple practice of "sense foraging" and why they say it can help break patterns and thoughts that aren't serving us
The differences and the similarities between sense foraging and mindfulness

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