45. Affable Evil and the Chaos Agents

Anika and Liz are joined by Jules (of @juleshastweets and Bad Pajamas) to talk about our favourite villains! Complete with sidebars about Star Wars and Avatar: The Last Airbender, and a a brief reinvention as an Expanse podcast. 

Topics of discussion include: 

• villains versus antagonists
• redemption arcs 
• the mirror universe
• is Emperor Georgiou the Garak of Discovery?
• maybe Quark isn't a villain, but he should definitely be in jail
• speaking of incarceration -- Garak gets six months for attempted genocide, while Kasidy Yates gets the same sentence for smuggling medical supplies to the Maquis? Really?
• concept: the Prophets are not good people
• #seskadeservedbetter
• the magnificence of General Chang

Finally, going technically off-topic but when did we ever let that stop us, Julia talks about Picard's golem and Jewish myth.