Managing Leadership Anxiety: Yours and Theirs
Religion & Spirituality:Christianity
Gina Cherion emailed me recently asking about Systems Theory in non white spaces, specifically how differentiation works in Asian culture. Gina is a pastor of Indian descent and when I received her email I knew I wanted to interview her and Marvin Williams who I have gotten to know through my Systems work and through Capable Life. Marvin is doing doctoral work at Fuller Seminary on Systems Theory, specifically on black presence in majority culture. I LOVED this conversation with these two pastors who led us on a great journey of managing expectations, carrying the weight of culture, shape shifting and more.
Gina Cherian has served the church in various roles, including serving as a campus pastor of a large multisite church and her current role as a pastor at Hope Community Church on the North Shore of Chicago. Gina longs to see every person discover the life-changing grace of Christ that has transformed her life. As an Indian-American woman, she is passionate about advancing the beautiful multiethnic community described in Revelation to our reality today. Gina is a devoted fan of all things related to her hometown of Chicago: sports, food, and even the weather. She resides in the Chicagoland area with her husband and two kids.
Marvin Williams has served as the Lead Pastor of Trinity Church in Lansing, Michigan since February 2010. He is a graduate of Bishop College in Dallas, Texas, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois, and Grand Rapids Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He and his wife Tonia have three children.
In addition to his ministry at Trinity Church, he was a regular devotional author for Our Daily Bread and Our Daily Journey and was one of the Bible Teachers for Sports.org. He is also a contributor to Scott Williams’ best-selling book, Church Diversity. He regularly speaks at conferences, retreats, chapels and churches around the country.
EP 196: Annual Wrap Up with Lisa Cuss
Ep195: J.S. Park
EP 194: Brad Lomenick
Ep 193: Julie Mavis and Annika Marek-Barta
EP 192: William Vanderbloemen
EP 191: MLA Turns 5
EP 190: Self Care For The Holidays
EP 189: Dr Kathleen Smith
Ep 188: Four Dynamics Part Four: Attempted Solutions
Ep 187: Four Dynamics Part Three: Stuck Patterns
Ep 186: Book Recommendations and
Ep 185: Aundi Kolber
Ep 184: Four Dynamics Part Two: Reactivity
Ep 183: Four Dynamics Part One: Assumptions
Ep 182: Benjamin Windle
Ep 181: John and Nancy Ortberg
Ep 180: Put Yourself OnYour Conscious List Of Relationships
Ep 179 Diving Deeper with Jimmy Carnes and Lisa Cuss
Ep 178: Functional Theology with Renae Loring and Lisa Cuss
Ep 177: Glenn and Holly Packiam
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