In this episode, Ben and Tim reminisce about recent chats with some incredible guests, including humanitarian Beth Eggleston, plastic surgeon Linda Monshizadeh and security guru Kim Martens. And following those three amazing ladies, they bring another amazing lady, Monika Georgieva, back into the studio to ask some additional questions about the infamous SAS Selection Course, including the highs and lows, intrinsic and extrinsic motivation and self-doubt. And finally, a whole bunch of outstanding emails, questions and feedback from listeners.
As always, please let us know what you think! Good, bad or indifferent, we’d love to hear from you – email debrief@unforgiving60.com.
Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)
01:45 Reflections on Beth Eggleston, including the stereotypical views of soldiers and humanitarians in a war zone.
04:15 List of famous US Peace Corps alumni
05:25 Reflections on Dr Linda; Ben reveals his preconceptions on plastic surgery going into the episode – and how it changed!
07:00 David Gillespie’s Teen Brain – great read, albeit super scary if you have teenage children!
08:49 Parallels with our recent chat with Steve Biddulph
10:30 Linda’s art. Far too talented…
11:40 Reflections on Kim Martens. Starting with the benefits of starting your professional career at a fast food joint
12:35 Out of the Western Australian Police Force…..and into Iraq!
13:45 Ben’s profound reflections on the IED threat – ‘it was messed up!’
14:30 Ben and Tim reflect on humankind’s darker side, including through the lens of Eddie Jaku’s amazing book The Happiest Man on Earth
16:00 The nature of evil – and how it might not be that far away from many people in society
17:44 Tim’s switching speed – akin to an aircraft carrier turning around
18:07 Cat’s in the Cradle – still brings a tear to Ben’s eye
19:30 Ben and Kim’s shared passion of lapping in V8s
20:30 ‘Undue noise due to method of operation’ – Ben’s first traffic infringement. Is this still a thing? Let us know – debrief@unforgiving60.com
21:30 Listener feedback - plus Ben and Tim trying to work out which of the ‘social medias’ they are on
23:00 Tegere Outdoors – veteran owned company doing fantastic outdoor gear, including space-age facial mask!
24:45 Coffee Cannon crowdfunding campaign – get behind it!
28:00 Unforgiving60 reading list. Coming soon. We think.
30:00 Back by popular demand – Monika Georgieva! Live in the studio
31:00 Only weirdos enjoy the SAS selection course
31:30 Mon’s best bit on selection
34:22 Mon’s lowest point on selection
38:00 Ben’s lowest point on selection. Involving chickens
40:50 Physical and mental preparedness
43:15 Tim’s physical training journal. Not a weighty tome
45:30 Specialisation. It’s for insects.
46:40 Life lessons from the selection course
48:30 Intrinsic and extrinsic motivators – finding the right balance
55:30 Life imitating art – Ben’s selection course-like experience on operations in Afghanistan
1:03:15 An email from Pucka! With some great reflections on creating a safe-to-fail environment in training
External Links
Music
The Externals … Available on Spotify
S2E21a- Wayne Jones: ex SAS Sky God and Rockstar turned ASX CEO
S2E20- Understanding Meditation with the Expert- Gary Gorrow
S2E19- David Olney: More Blind Insights on Collaboration & Battlefield Innovation
S2E18 – Turning Troubled Boys into Good Men with Rick Pedley-Smith
S2E17 – On Parenting with Steve Biddulph, AM
S2E16 – Understanding Complexity with Dave Snowden (Comfort in Chaos and Uncertainty)
S2E15- Phil M Jones: Using Words for Influence and Impact (ie = ‘Sales’ (is not a dirty word))
S2E14- Kim Martens: Surviving High Risk Environments from KFC to Karrada!
S2E13 – The Beauty from Within - Dr Linda Monshizadeh, Plastic Surgeon
S2E12- Beth Eggleston- The HAG! The Humanitarian Edition.
@RV18- David Olney, Dr Kate Baecher, Tempus Fugit Double Episode and Life on the Line Special
S2E11- Against Life’s Odds: ‘Fugit Inreparabile Tempus': (It Escapes, Irretrievable Time) - Matt Williams, OAM is 'Willy Beating Cancer'
Special Episode- SAS Leadership Volume II: with Ben Pronk, DSC and Tim Curtis (via Life on the Line Podcast)
S2E10- Against Life’s Odds: ‘Tempus Fugit’ ('Time Flees') - Tim Reynolds
S2E9- Dr Kate Baecher: Clinical Psychologist. Developing High Performance Mindsets
S2E8- David Olney: Blind Insights on Violence and Complexity
@RV17- Voices about the Veterans from Voices of Veterans- ANZAC Day 2020
Special Episode- Voices of Veterans on ANZAC Day 2020
@RV16- On Mark Wales, Alec Torelli, Mitchell Martin, Dianna Nguyen ... & Embracing the Virus (Another Isolation Edition!)
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