"The hijacker is never really popular on the plane" - with Stuart Stevens

Friend and Lincoln Project colleague Stuart Stevens joins the pod to talk about his new book: "The Conspiracy to End America." There are five elements at work when democracy slides into autocracy - and Stuart takes an eye-opening look at how all five are working in concert with today's MAGA GOP. What do he and Joe think their endgame is? This is a conversation you don't want to miss. Plus - with Iowa less than 75 days away - where do things stand in the GOP primary?

Here's where to order Stuart's book: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/stuart-stevens/the-conspiracy-to-end-america/9781538765401/?lens=twelve

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