First we lost Gore Vidal, then on October 21, it was George McGovern. From the archives of 1981, Burt interviews Gore Vidal at the Ritz-Carlton in Boston during his tour for his book Creation. See if his descritions of ancient days remind you of anything today. And of course they talk politics, about the Reagan years then ahead. Then it's Burt's final interview with George McGovern, from April 2012, regarding his book What It Means to Be A Democrat. America was never to be blessed with a McGovern presidency, but his vision continues.