Sean and Justin sit down in for a podcast pretty quickly after their last one (quickly for them!) and it was good timing given that everyone was talking about Donald Trump becoming the presumptive Republican nominee for President of the United States. Obviously it became the main topic of conversation, but not just to boost listenership! Through the circus that is happening in the US, the two unpack the idea of leadership and the difference between things like value, tactics, demeanour, spirit and tone. A little comparison with Justin Trudeau was inevitable along the way!