with Jeff and Luke: We don't know what's real until test and trial reveal

Big, wide ranging conversation with Randos leaders Luke and Jeff. Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, Ian McGilchrist, CS Lewis, Church Fathers and more. Propositional truth, Vervaeke’s 4 P-s John Vervaeke Ian McGilchrist Rebel Wisdom Talk https://youtu.be/JdB-BMdgFbk Randos United Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEzWTLDYmL8soRdQec9Fsjw Propositional knowledge is potential knowledge, JP Marceau with Pageau, the violence and the grace of eating food Eucharistic knowledge: Propositional is meaningless until you do it Owen Barfield John Vervaeke and Tyler from the Discords https://youtu.be/GmGOqkHQCIk Socratic type dia-logos, not trying to win the conversation but rather the thing you want is that both people come away with more, get to a place you could not come to on your own. We don’t know what’s real until trials test and reveal Building relationships between participants. All models are false and some are useful Subconsciously in a mode of always winning Act-as-if conversational trinitarianism Stop at the propositional level (but you can’t, this itself is a proposition) Don’t Cathy Newman me… Trump is not the anti-christ. Sam is a unitarian We go into quarantine mode, it’s the disgust impulse, Jonathan Haidt The map is not the territory Egoic intellect and principalities The Propositional is Potential Pageau conversation with Fr. Stephen Freeman Nobody never knows anything in general but only in particular Luke sees trinity stuff everywhere… Monism, Dualism and Trinitarianism Ikon is an image and a portal Father John Behr “is God a person” “Person” developed in trinitarian theology in the 4th century, Barfieldian evolution of consciousness They carried their ancestors around with them. It was part of their identity It was the broader, bigger thing. We’re almost divorced from it. Spiral dynamics way Perelandra. Silmarillian, original participation Modernity, protestantism, a bag of propositional confessions A reunion of the whole in an inter-personal way. Difference and yet unity Family is a microcosm of everything. Abortion and viability Tribal mentality, way of seeing the world where everything outside is bad and will cause harm Hyper individuality person leaves and comes back, hero’s journey How to get both and rather than either or Maximus the confessor, the gnomic will The mind that analyses and chooses between options. How you can understand libertarian freedom Maximus was saying was that Jesus was such a kind that he didn’t have a gnomic will. Doublemindedness. We are of two minds. An error to impose upon Jesus. Jesus was tempted and tested. Jesus was not tempted in the way that I was tempted. “Ultimately all my theology comes from God and the Trinity” Luke Thompson Did Jesus inherit any of the fallen nature. Identity Is that experience required to add value to a conversation about that experience. Do we need a savior who has experienced the particulars in order to save humanity. CEO doesn’t need to do an entry level position in order to fully (sufficiently) understand that position. Would Jesus need to be a disabled gay woman of color. CS Lewis essay on Equality CS Lewis membership essay, Equality is good medicine but not good food. Stations which receive honor and stations that supplicate. Father David’s church. Even in showing that honor we become more truly human. Proposition as potential rather than reality Feel free to send content.

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