Rachel Zucker speaks with public radio reporter and documentarian John Biewen about his work at the Center for Documentary Studies, especially his two series Seeing White and MEN, which investigate the history and reach of whiteness and masculinity. Rachel and John talk about how John decided to make these series, about the format of Seeing White and MEN, how and why it was important and effective to have a recurring conversational partner or official co-host, the value of white people examining whiteness and men examining toxic masculinity, virtue signaling, problems with imaginative empathy and how to not just think about oppression but begin to do something about changing it.
EXTRA MATERIALS FOR EPISODE 67Projects by John BiewenScene on Radio
Storymakers: Durham
Other People, Projects and Books Mentioned in the EpisodeChenjerai Kumanyika
Celeste Headlee
Reality Radio (ed. by John Biewen; University of North Carolina Press, 2017)
Race Traitor by Noel Ignatiev (Routledge, 1996)
Class, Race and Marxism by David Roediger (Verso, 2017)
White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk about Racism by Robin DiAngelo
Allan Gurganus
Natasha Tretheway
Other Relevant LinksCenter for Documentary Studies in Durham, NC
Uncivil, hosted by Chenjerai Kumanyika
Minnesota Public Radio
NPR News
American Radio Works
This American Life
PRX
Racial Equity Institute
Ibram Kendi
Ijeoma Oluo
“In the Same Breath: The Racial Politics of the Best American Poetry 2014” by Isaac Ginsberg Miller (Published in American Poetry Review)
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Episode 94: Jennifer Block
Episode 93: Arielle Greenberg
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