Rachel Zucker speaks with public radio reporter and documentarian John Biewen about his work at the Center for Documentary Studies, especially his two series Seeing White and MEN, which investigate the history and reach of whiteness and masculinity. Rachel and John talk about how John decided to make these series, about the format of Seeing White and MEN, how and why it was important and effective to have a recurring conversational partner or official co-host, the value of white people examining whiteness and men examining toxic masculinity, virtue signaling, problems with imaginative empathy and how to not just think about oppression but begin to do something about changing it.
EXTRA MATERIALS FOR EPISODE 67Projects by John BiewenScene on Radio
Storymakers: Durham
Other People, Projects and Books Mentioned in the EpisodeChenjerai Kumanyika
Celeste Headlee
Reality Radio (ed. by John Biewen; University of North Carolina Press, 2017)
Race Traitor by Noel Ignatiev (Routledge, 1996)
Class, Race and Marxism by David Roediger (Verso, 2017)
White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk about Racism by Robin DiAngelo
Allan Gurganus
Natasha Tretheway
Other Relevant LinksCenter for Documentary Studies in Durham, NC
Uncivil, hosted by Chenjerai Kumanyika
Minnesota Public Radio
NPR News
American Radio Works
This American Life
PRX
Racial Equity Institute
Ibram Kendi
Ijeoma Oluo
“In the Same Breath: The Racial Politics of the Best American Poetry 2014” by Isaac Ginsberg Miller (Published in American Poetry Review)
Episode 41: Danez Smith
Episode 40: Kaveh Akbar
Episode 39: Erika L. Sánchez
Episode 38: Sharon Olds
Episode 37: Sheila Heti and Sarah Manguso
Episode 36: Dialogue Arts Project
Episode 35: Aracelis Girmay
Episode 34: Dr. Joshua Bennett
Episode 33: Sabrina Orah Mark
Episode 32: Laynie Browne
Episode 31: Carmen Giménez Smith
Episode 30: Sarah Vap
Episode 29: Molly Peacock
Episode 28: Poems for Mother's Day
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Episode 26: Alice Notley
Episode 25: Ross Gay
Episode 24: Julie Carr
Episode 23: Morgan Parker
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