Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
Holy Post 468: Lessons from the Rise & Fall of Mars Hill with Mike Cosper
Episode 467: “Reparations,” the Review & the Response with Gregory Thompson
Episode 466: Sermongate, Stats, & Sexual Abuse with Mary DeMuth
Jesus and John Wayne Episode 4: Fallen Warriors (The ‘10s - Today)
Episode 465: July 4th Roundup & the Shadow Side of Christian Publishing w/Karen Swallow Prior
Jesus and John Wayne Episode 3: Tender Warriors (The ’90s - ’00s)
Episode 464: The Four Americas & Honest Prayer with Kyle Strobel
Jesus and John Wayne Episode 2: Culture Warriors (The ‘70s - ‘80s)
Episode 463: Huckabee in the Hot Seat, Crisis at Cru, & Navigating Change with D. Michael Lindsay
Jesus & John Wayne: Episode 1: Cold Warriors (The '50s & 60's)
Episode 462: Southern Baptists Resist the Pirates & Religious Liberty Goes to Court with Ed Stetzer & David French
Episode 461: All Eyes on the SBC & Surviving Gun Violence with Taylor Schumann
Episode 460: Consuming News Like a Christian with Jeffrey Bilbro
Episode 459: Remembering Tulsa and Rethinking Prayer
Episode 458: The Gospel Demands Multiethnic Churches with Derwin Gray
Episode 457: Paul, Power, & Patriarchy with Beth Allison Barr
Episode 456: Why We’re Divided & Positive Pluralism with Bob Roberts
Episode 455: Is Your Church Toxic or Tov? with Scot McKnight
Episode 454: Dangers, Doubts, & Deconstruction with A.J. Swoboda
Episode 453: Table-Flipping Jesus & Improvising Faith with Dr. Timothy Gombis
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