Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
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Episode 451: The Apocalypse Now with Dr. John Walton
Episode 450: The Evangelical Industrial Complex with Love Thy Neighborhood
Episode 449: The Atlanta Shootings & Courageous Leadership with Richard Stearns
Episode 448: Beth Moore's Exit & the Problem of "Impoverished Imaginations" with Karen Swallow Prior
Episode 447: The Danger of Useful Christianity with Russell Moore
Episode 446: “Too Black”... Hip Hop Superstar Lecrae on His Relationship With White Evangelicalism
Episode 445: You Might Be a Christian Nationalist If... & Transgender Identities with Preston Sprinkle
Episode 444: The Ravi Zacharias Revelations & Leaving the SBC with Charlie Dates
Episode 443: False Prophets, Judgment, & Gen Z with Joshua Packard
Episode 442: Christian Nationalism & the Good Life with Derwin Gray
Episode 441: Biden’s Inauguration & the Future of the Republican Party with Peter Wehner
Episode 440: Southern Shame Culture & How to Fight Racism w/Jemar Tisby
Episode 439: Was the Capitol Attack a Christian Insurrection?
Episode 438: The Year that Unveiled Evangelicalism with John Fea
Episode 437: Ham on Phil - A Brief History of Young Earth Creationism
Episode 436: The Jericho March, SBC vs. CRT (Cont.), & Evangelical Elites
Episode 435: Enhanced Humans & the New Eugenics with Calum MacKellar
Episode 434: Critical Theory & the Christian with David Fitch
Episode 433: Ending the War on Drugs with Bonnie Kristian
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