In this episode, Ben and Tim reminisce about recent chats with some incredible guests, including humanitarian Beth Eggleston, plastic surgeon Linda Monshizadeh and security guru Kim Martens. And following those three amazing ladies, they bring another amazing lady, Monika Georgieva, back into the studio to ask some additional questions about the infamous SAS Selection Course, including the highs and lows, intrinsic and extrinsic motivation and self-doubt. And finally, a whole bunch of outstanding emails, questions and feedback from listeners.
As always, please let us know what you think! Good, bad or indifferent, we’d love to hear from you – email debrief@unforgiving60.com.
Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)
01:45 Reflections on Beth Eggleston, including the stereotypical views of soldiers and humanitarians in a war zone.
04:15 List of famous US Peace Corps alumni
05:25 Reflections on Dr Linda; Ben reveals his preconceptions on plastic surgery going into the episode – and how it changed!
07:00 David Gillespie’s Teen Brain – great read, albeit super scary if you have teenage children!
08:49 Parallels with our recent chat with Steve Biddulph
10:30 Linda’s art. Far too talented…
11:40 Reflections on Kim Martens. Starting with the benefits of starting your professional career at a fast food joint
12:35 Out of the Western Australian Police Force…..and into Iraq!
13:45 Ben’s profound reflections on the IED threat – ‘it was messed up!’
14:30 Ben and Tim reflect on humankind’s darker side, including through the lens of Eddie Jaku’s amazing book The Happiest Man on Earth
16:00 The nature of evil – and how it might not be that far away from many people in society
17:44 Tim’s switching speed – akin to an aircraft carrier turning around
18:07 Cat’s in the Cradle – still brings a tear to Ben’s eye
19:30 Ben and Kim’s shared passion of lapping in V8s
20:30 ‘Undue noise due to method of operation’ – Ben’s first traffic infringement. Is this still a thing? Let us know – debrief@unforgiving60.com
21:30 Listener feedback - plus Ben and Tim trying to work out which of the ‘social medias’ they are on
23:00 Tegere Outdoors – veteran owned company doing fantastic outdoor gear, including space-age facial mask!
24:45 Coffee Cannon crowdfunding campaign – get behind it!
28:00 Unforgiving60 reading list. Coming soon. We think.
30:00 Back by popular demand – Monika Georgieva! Live in the studio
31:00 Only weirdos enjoy the SAS selection course
31:30 Mon’s best bit on selection
34:22 Mon’s lowest point on selection
38:00 Ben’s lowest point on selection. Involving chickens
40:50 Physical and mental preparedness
43:15 Tim’s physical training journal. Not a weighty tome
45:30 Specialisation. It’s for insects.
46:40 Life lessons from the selection course
48:30 Intrinsic and extrinsic motivators – finding the right balance
55:30 Life imitating art – Ben’s selection course-like experience on operations in Afghanistan
1:03:15 An email from Pucka! With some great reflections on creating a safe-to-fail environment in training
External Links
Music
The Externals … Available on Spotify
S3E20 –Standout Life with Ali Hill
S3E19 –Lessons in Leadership with Randy Powell
S3E18 - MCTI Teamcast – Creativity within Mission Critical Teams
S3E17b – Hamish Blake: The Importance of Wheelies & Other Tips for Life
S3E17a – Hamish Blake: The Importance of Wheelies & Other Tips for Life
S3E16 – Christian ‘Boo’ Boucousis – The Fighter Pilot Mindset
S3E15- Dr Dan Pronk and the Making of Resilience (Shield)
S3E14- Life on the Line Reciprocal: SAS Resilience with Dr Dan Pronk, Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis
S3E13 – The Reverse Episode: Ben & Tim Talking Parenting with Jump Daddy and Dr Tom
S3E12 – Talking Parenting with Jump Daddy and Dr Tom from the Dad To Me Podcast
S3E11 – Dr Richard Magtengaard: Psychiatrist- Understanding Your Lizard Brain
S3E10 – Nicho Plowman – Meditation and the Cinema of Life
S3E9 – Dr Lies Notebaert: On Resilience & Adversity
@RV27- The Resilience RV
S3E8 – Pete Naschak: US Navy SEALs, Red Bull Athletes and Resilience Shepherds
@RV26 – On Simon Eastaugh, Lee Goddard and ‘Billy’ Billingham
S3E7 – A little further: Mark Billingham- From UK SAS Operator to in front of the camera
S3E6- Rear Admiral Lee Goddard CSC: The Pride of the Fleet!
S3E5 – Talking Elite Footy with Simon Eastaugh - Fremantle Football Club
@RV25 – Season 3 Opener! On Mick Neven, Jacqui Lambie, David Knoff and Nick Hudson
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