134: Lead Leaders and Manage Managers with Julian Chapman

Julian Chapman is the President of Forrest & Company, an organizational transformation firm that helps companies achieve strategic competitive advantage through consulting, coaching, and training. He is also the author of The Managerial Leadership Journey: An Unconventional Business Pursuit. We discuss what it means to be a servant leader, the science of structuring an organization, and the difference between military and business leadership.

 

Time Stamps

[00:30] Julian's entrepreneurial journey 

[01:31] Difference between military and business leadership

[03:18] Army leadership principles that don't apply to business leadership 

[05:01] How military leaders use empowerment to build trust and excellence

[06:19] The Leading Leaders and Managing Managers framework

[08:47] Key differences between leadership and management

[11:30] What it means to be a servant leader

[13:20] Was Winston Churchill a servant leader? 

[14:50] How to become a transformational leader

[17:13] How Julian and his team grow leaders of character

[20:56] The science of how to structure an organization

[22:14] Four factors that define human capability 

[24:47] The intersection between cognitive skills and leadership performance

[27:48] Dissecting the Managerial Leadership Journey

[30:28] Parting thoughts 

 

Links and Resources

Steve and Greg Cleary's Book: Pinnacle: Five Principles that Take Your Business to the Top of the Mountain

Julian's LinkedIn

Julian's website - Forrestandco.com

Managerialleadershipjourney.com

The Managerial Leadership Journey: An Unconventional Business Pursuit by Julian Chapman

The Pursuit of Prime by Ichak Adizes Ph.D. 

Work with Steve - Stevepreda.com